Any BB progress in S.London? - Page 2

rippedoff · 26-09-2003, 14:51

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Originally posted by towny
I wish you success, I really do, but I'm not sure what you would accept as factual information or where you are expecting it will come from?

If you do not know what facts are, or can't work out what may be factual or substantiated, then there is little point of trying to explain to you.
But... simple things like..."I am in SW16... I now have BB from ntl:" or "I have a letter telling me engineers are coming tomorrow to install BB... I live in Tulse Hill - I'll let you know"...... or one of your trusted ntl: staff buddies who may know FACTS about BB rollout actually sharing that information - I do not believe that NOBODY in ntl: knows what is going on..............

**Chris** · 26-09-2003, 14:57

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Originally posted by rippedoff
If you do not know what facts are, or can't work out what may be factual or substantiated, then there is little point of trying to explain to you.
But... simple things like..."I am in SW16... I now have BB from ntl:" or "I have a letter telling me engineers are coming tomorrow to install BB... I live in Tulse Hill - I'll let you know"...... or one of your trusted ntl: staff buddies who may know FACTS about BB rollout actually sharing that information..............

You see my point though. I ask you a perfectly reasonable question and you find it impossible to answer without just a shade of a dig. Of course I understand the concept of 'fact'; that isn't what I was asking and you know it.

Now tell me this: If you find it so hard to keep a civil tongue in your head, what right have you to expect that one of my 'ntl buddies' (as you call them) is going to give you the time of day, let alone share company information with you?

EDIT: Who are the 'ntl buddies'? Is that like the pro-ntl mob?

rippedoff · 26-09-2003, 15:01

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Originally posted by towny
You see my point though. I ask you a perfectly reasonable question and you find it impossible to answer without just a shade of a dig. Of course I understand the concept of 'fact'; that isn't what I was asking and you know it.

Now tell me this: If you find it so hard to keep a civil tongue in your head, what right have you to expect that one of my 'ntl buddies' (as you call them) is going to give you the time of day, let alone share company information with you?

EDIT: Who are the 'ntl buddies'? Is that like the pro-ntl mob?

For your benefit........ I will repeat..............

Thank you for your support UDT. Although I agree with you, I think we are in danger, yet again, of this thread going way off topic, and back into a total slanging match. Some folk are already attempting to turn it into that, but let's try and ignore them.
Let's keep this thread ONLY on the topic of what is FACTUAL or SUBSTANTIATED information about BB progress (if any) in London.

**Chris** · 26-09-2003, 15:10

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Originally posted by rippedoff
For your benefit........ I will repeat..............

Thank you for your support UDT. Although I agree with you, I think we are in danger, yet again, of this thread going way off topic, and back into a total slanging match. Some folk are already attempting to turn it into that, but let's try and ignore them.
Let's keep this thread ONLY on the topic of what is FACTUAL or SUBSTANTIATED information about BB progress (if any) in London.

And so shall I, with added emphasis:

I wish you success, I really do, but I'm not sure what you would accept as factual information or where you are expecting it will come from.

I have gone out of my way to draw attention to the London Broadband issue in the past on this forum. I genuinely think it is unfair for NTL to keep everyone hanging on by saying 'coming soon' all the time. But I also think that some people have been so negative towards ntl staffers on this forum that I think it is a little pointless for you to demand their goodwill now by asking them to post the details you have asked for. Your response to Bigitup in this very thread was way out of line given that he was making a genuine offer of help. Perhaps you could give him one good reason why he should do anything more to help you?

rippedoff · 26-09-2003, 15:15

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Originally posted by towny
And so shall I, with added emphasis:

I wish you success, I really do, but I'm not sure what you would accept as factual information or where you are expecting it will come from.

I have gone out of my way to draw attention to the London Broadband issue in the past on this forum. I genuinely think it is unfair for NTL to keep everyone hanging on by saying 'coming soon' all the time. But I also think that some people have been so negative towards ntl staffers on this forum that I think it is a little pointless for you to demand their goodwill now by asking them to post the details you have asked for. Your response to Bigitup in this very thread was way out of line given that he was making a genuine offer of help. Perhaps you could give him one good reason why he should do anything more to help you?

Sorry Towny........ I am not going to rise to your bait. Tough !

**Chris** · 26-09-2003, 15:27

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Originally posted by rippedoff
Sorry Towny........ I am not going to rise to your bait. Tough !

And I respect you for that.

gallego1 · 26-09-2003, 16:31

I can see another roundabout and re incarnation again!!!

WHY does this topic ALWAYS end up in a slanging match? and from the people who suggest that they are in the know

**Chris** · 26-09-2003, 16:34

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Originally posted by gallego1
I can see another roundabout and re incarnation again!!!

WHY does this topic ALWAYS end up in a slanging match? and from the people who suggest that they are in the know

Who's slanging? I am attempting to understand the parameters of the debate and suggesting reasons why I think the question posed in this thread is unlikely to be answered in the way that has been requested.

And let me assure you, (assuming of course your post had me in mind, perhaps I'm flattering myself) ... I am not in the know. Nor do I know anyone who is.

gallego1 · 27-09-2003, 10:16

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Originally posted by towny
Who's slanging? I am attempting to understand the parameters of the debate and suggesting reasons why I think the question posed in this thread is unlikely to be answered in the way that has been requested.

And let me assure you, (assuming of course your post had me in mind, perhaps I'm flattering myself) ... I am not in the know. Nor do I know anyone who is.

Sorry for misinterpretation of your posts. However I think that the Question is very simple. When will xvideotron customers have BB and interactive TV?

The answers we would like are :-
a) When is CR3, BB and all the wonderfull other bits that other regions can use be brought to x videotron areas.

b) True facts are SW99 0aa was updated last night or sw99 0aa will be recieving engineer visits over the next week.

Not as already expressed on this thread *000 homes in london to be upgraded

We all know we will be upgraded in somebodys lifetime but ours would be preferred

What usually happens in these threads is that people who have little or no interest in the london area start complaining that we are wasting everybodys time with our requests.

What would they feel like if London was the first area to have eg CR4 , 5 mb BB with NO CAP and they kept having the "coming soon " label attached to their regions for 2-3 years Wouldnt they be doing the same as RO and UDT and others are doing at present

I think they would

I agree that this topic should stay on topic without being used as a "wingeing" match for those that have BB and those that dont

Remember we all pay the same for our Services except others have more of a service eg RED button for extra interactivity than others.

gallego1 · 03-10-2003, 16:03

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Originally Posted by bigitup_j

the 75,000 upgrade thing, is from an ntl manager. i will be able to tell you more information from 1st october (2003) onwards.
hopefully i can bring you good news!

The sound of silence is appearing onm this thread now. First we went round in circles and then we had an offer of more info from 01/10/03

And look NOTHING

So is it true that 75000 homes are currently being upgraded or this part of the usual wind up on the "bb in South London "Topic

We are soon coming to the 1st aniversary of "the letter" from C Collinson, will we get another one with similar hope I wonder.

Could it be we are getting no info from Ntl as their marketing director has recently gone to work for a bank in a similar role. Maybe that is why I am getting less mail from them now

**Chris** · 03-10-2003, 16:11

As I suggested previously, I think those 'in the know' are either not inclined to be helpful due to their treatment at the hands of some forum members, or simply not able to make statements backed up with the level of evidence demanded at the top of this thread. Frankly, rumour and suggestion is the bread and butter of a discussion forum and I would be more than happy to accept a rumour - with a generious pinch of salt of course - than any official communication from ntl marketing. But it has been made quite clear that rumours will be looked upon very unkindly in this thread.

bigitup_j · 03-10-2003, 16:29

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Originally Posted by gallego1

The sound of silence is appearing onm this thread now. First we went round in circles and then we had an offer of more info from 01/10/03

And look NOTHING

So is it true that 75000 homes are currently being upgraded or this part of the usual wind up on the "bb in South London "Topic

We are soon coming to the 1st aniversary of "the letter" from C Collinson, will we get another one with similar hope I wonder.

Could it be we are getting no info from Ntl as their marketing director has recently gone to work for a bank in a similar role. Maybe that is why I am getting less mail from them now

Sorry about the delay.
anytime soon...
any news, and i WILL tell you. and i won't post any rumours, only hard facts, nothing else.

gallego1 · 03-10-2003, 23:39

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Originally Posted by towny

As I suggested previously, I think those 'in the know' are either not inclined to be helpful due to their treatment at the hands of some forum members, or simply not able to make statements backed up with the level of evidence demanded at the top of this thread.

Maybe what you are saying has some truth but in the beginning there were some very helpful comments which were looked upon favourably until the letter of November 2002. I believe at that point any future point raised was held to be part of the BIG CONSPRIRACY OF THE LONDON PLAN and all future threads have ended up in slanging matches between people who have BB and interactive CR3 etc and couldnt care about the peope who have not and the people that don, and have constantly threatened to close posts.

It was suggested that we have our own section on the forum but that was denied due to "other regions would want one" and why not. Each region is different.

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Originally Posted by towny

Frankly, rumour and suggestion is the bread and butter of a discussion forum and I would be more than happy to accept a rumour - with a generious pinch of salt of course - than any official communication from ntl marketing. But it has been made quite clear that rumours will be looked upon very unkindly in this thread.

We can all wind each other up until the cows come home but when "official "sources cannot get the info consistant thats when people get p*****d off with the whole situation

The info has always been sometime in 2003 then RO gets an email saying 2005 and you phone customer services and they say it will be before christmas 2003
but i dont know when and that all in the same day.

* all comments mentioned pre june 03 were on Nthellworld.com forums*

gallego1 · 03-10-2003, 23:41

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Originally Posted by bigitup_j

Sorry about the delay.
anytime soon...
any news, and i WILL tell you. and i won't post any rumours, only hard facts, nothing else.

Hoping its what we want to hear and Xmas presents from NTL in the form of BB

OR

That 2005 is the correct date after all

Lets hope for some people is the first one

gallego1 · 19-10-2003, 23:40

Interesting twist to this thread

No more roundabouts and re-incarnations of a similar theme. Just SILENCE.

SO what has happened to these very lucky 75000 homes in a certain location towards the s.e of the country approx 70 miles from the channel tunnel in a n.westerly direction

Are they enjoying CR3 etc OR are they still watching CR1 with the favourite lists that can be reorganised to their hearts content.

My guess would be the latter.

UNLESS somebody knows different.