Attention-All NTL Staff.

[Pierre]

but they can stop matixes being massaged to get rid of people they don't like as opposed to non-productive staff/jobs for the boys

Therein lies the problem, as i'm sure you and Escapee will hold testament to.

When selection via matracies is done, it is not the best candidates for the role that get the job but who's mates with the selecting manager.

It has always been my position that the selection process should be done by a 3rd party.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by dezzo

I suppose we could all re-train as Gas engineers

Seriously, an employee of a company that is going through such a prolonged phase of reorganisation should seriously consider joining a union, or at least see if they can insure themselves against redundancy.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Therein lies the problem, as i'm sure you and Escapee will hold testament to.

When selection via matracies is done, it is not the best candidates for the role that get the job but who's mates with the selecting manager.

It has always been my position that the selection process should be done by a 3rd party.

I agree that unions have very little say, but they have helped in a number of cases to my knowledge where employees have been treated unfairly in ntl. I think one case is still ongoing, and the company has taken a different view when they know an employee has legal representation from a union.

matricies are a problem when used in conjunction with work stats when it comes to engineers, because it often affects the older skilled workers who are given all the difficult/fiddly jobs that take a lot of time but have least affect on clearing stats. It is often possible for the best engineer in a department to look like the worst engineer if management are only relying on stats.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Toto

Seriously, an employee of a company that is going through such a prolonged phase of reorganisation should seriously consider joining a union, or at least see if they can insure themselves against redundancy.

There's no way to insure yourself against redundancy, even with the backing of a union. If the jobs not there, it's not there and that's the employers call, not the unions. Unions don't control what situations you find yourself, only advise and assist on how to deal with the situation. Especially when it comes to privately owned companies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from those employees on the Broadcast t&cs, ntl don't legally have to recognise any union anyway...

[Toto]

Originally Posted by orangebird

There's no way to insure yourself against redundancy

I beg to differ, have a look here

Some companies will offer income protection in the event of involuntary redundancy, although there are stringent checks made and usually a waiting period of at least 30 days before protection kicks in.

ndancy insurance

Originally Posted by orangebird

There's no way to insure yourself against redundancy, even with the backing of a union. If the jobs not there, it's not there and that's the employers call, not the unions. Unions don't control what situations you find yourself, only advise and assist on how to deal with the situation. Especially when it comes to privately owned companies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from those employees on the Broadcast t&cs, ntl don't legally have to recognise any union anyway...

I think Toto meant insurance as in Norwich Union etc ... lots of companies will sell you income protection policies that cover redundancy as well as long-term sickness:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...UK%7CcountryGB
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aha, I was right

Originally Posted by orangebird

Mine is - so is my entire depts....

Well as long as you're alright (not sure to what your apparent sarcasm applies)

You also say: "If the jobs not there, it's not there and that's the employers call, not the unions."

Hmm. We're talking people's lives here (and of a management with not the finest decision making track record; many might argue the jobs are indeed there). From reading your posts on this and other threads you appear to believe companies can do pretty much what they want in pursuit of profit. I beg to differ. Whilst the power of unions has been severely limited by this and previous governments (whilst increasing employer rights), collective action, bargaining and negotiation remains important. As others have pointed out, unity is strength, division is weakness.

[Derek]

I don't think it was intended in that way.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by dezzo

I don't think it was intended in that way.

No, nor do I, that's not in keeping with Orangebirds usual posts, and I think that in this day and age, nobody can say their job is 100% safe.

Originally Posted by dezzo

I don't think it was intended in that way.

I'd be grateful if somebody could enlighten us as to the intent

[Womble]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I would reccomend joining a union, NTL is currently very unstable and no job look's safe.
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Originally Posted by orangebird

Mine is - so is my entire depts....

Mine is= unsafe
So is my deps= unsafe

I think everyone's read ing it wrong. Read in context to the above quote she is saying her job, and her dept are unsafe

Can we please refrain from making personal comments about individual member(s). Thanks.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by gooner4life

Have you not ever read her other self righteous posts?

I gave her the benefit before thinking it was just loyalty to her employer but in the end the proof was in the pudding, she is as selfish as somebody can be.
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Sorry but she is clearly stating that her job and her departments jobs are safe, in a very 'im alright jack' attitude.

I think people are taking that the wrong way, no-ones job is safe long term in ntl. Some posting on this board and elsewhere in the past have had a bit of an attitude and considered that ntl would never make them redundant by toeing the company line, most of those have dissapeared along the way with many others that have been made redundant.

Praising you employer is no guarantee of job security!

I am sure Orangebird feels she could also be on the list at anytime, I sometimes fail to understand her views but I think her reply is being taken the wrong way this time.

[bigcat]

NO jobs are safe in NTL at the moment

In the past year or so I've seen our Call Centre (the best performing in the country) and our FMR departments get canned (approx 150 jobs). Some staff managed to transfer to 2nd line, Surveillance or Retensions..but after Mondays bombshell we're not 100% sure these jobs are safe

We also learned on Monday that the Head Of Operations in Teesside Steve Brown had been put on 30 days notice This guy has flogged his guts out over the past year turning Teesside into the streamlined, efficient unit that it is, and seamlessly migrating the entire countries 2nd Line & Surveillance functions over to Teesside. This is the way NTL thanks him for his hard work..

Good luck for the future Steve (and to all other staff that have/may lose their jobs)

[Womble]

Originally Posted by bigcat

NO jobs are safe in NTL at the moment

In the past year or so I've seen our Call Centre (the best performing in the country) and our FMR departments get canned (approx 150 jobs). Some staff managed to transfer to 2nd line, Surveillance or Retensions..but after Mondays bombshell we're not 100% sure these jobs are safe

We also learned on Monday that the Head Of FMS in Teesside Steve Brown had been put on 30 days notice This guy has flogged his guts out over the past year turning Teesside into the streamlined, efficient unit that it is, and seamlessly migrating the entire countries 2nd Line & Surveillance functions over to Teesside. This is the way NTL thanks him for his hard work..

Good luck for the future Steve (and to all other staff that have/may lose their jobs)

Yeah, I heard he coped the flak, I also hearded he was a decent guy and has been crapped on from a great height (Sounds Familiar)