she has grown up!!! (another av thread)

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Neil

Kronas-if you believe for one moment the image that she is trying to portray is genuine ("I don't have wardrobe people to make me look good, it's just me & my suitcase") kind of thing, then I think you are being sucked in my friend.

Artists as successful as AV are prepped & preened to appeal to a particular audience-same as any artist. She may not have an entourage the size of say Britney or Beyonce, but that is surely because (& no offence here), she is nowhere near as bigger star?

As me old muckers Public Enemy used to warble.......

"Don't believe the Hype, don't don't, don't believe the hype" !!

shes not as big as britney yet but she will grow, 18 million albums sold and counting, not bad for a 'nobody' but hey the brtish public and press dont like her thats a well documented fact, after all we are infactuated with the will young's and gareth gates of this world

you dont need hype, i dont, i know she is that damn good but she is truthful to the fact that she does not need 'wardrobe' people, the fact that she usally travels alone without 'assistants' even signs autographs if people stop her, i believe the image portrayed on her was that of the record companys when songs such as 'sk8er boi' and 'complicated' were released, but truely she has changed and 'grown up' she has had full creative control over this forthcoming album, did you know she did not even let 'arista' (the record lablel) even see her songs until they were recorded ?

that to me is a burden of proof enough to show to me the end product, of which i have seen to be excellent,i have heard half of the songs already and if you all were not so 'against me' all the time just because i like a young artist whos diffarent, and does not want to be a typical 'pop princess' and likes to be herself and is not afraid to speak her mind, you all think its an act ?

look at the britneys and beyonces that people lust after, they dont sing live most of the time, there songs are most written by groups, yes avril's first album was changed by 'the matrix' but she still sang live and did her thing' and this album is all her, trust me when someone has creative control you can tell, she doesnt do 'PC' in her songs, its all about producing quality music with a quality voice............

if you want proof see for yourselves

live session via aol: (real player) required, links will only work if extracted from archive as they access aol's server

i know 99.99% wont even bother with the links but its ya'lls loss :pp

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

but she is truthful to the fact that she does not need 'wardrobe' people

That would explain her cock-awful dress sense I suppose.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by kronas

shes not as big as britney yet but she will grow

Is that when the female hormones "she's" taking kick in kronny? When's bovril having the final op?

One day the truth will come out and she'll admit to being the youngest boy in henson

[Russ]

Hanson?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Is that when the female hormones "she's" taking kick in kronny? When's bovril having the final op?

One day the truth will come out and she'll admit to being the youngest boy in henson

thats not funny you dont look good with that trust me, it demeans your credability, i thought you were sensible but your just 'one of them' when it comes to someone who is passionate about something you disagree with.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Hanson?

ARGHHHHHHHHHH

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kronas

thats not funny you dont look good with that trust me, it demeans your credability, i thought you were sensible but your just 'one of them' when it comes to someone who is passionate about something you disagree with.

Perhaps Xaccers is just 'one of them' who fails to match your level of enthusiasm for her, as is his right?

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Perhaps Xaccers is just 'one of them' who fails to match your level of enthusiasm for her, as is his right?

I don't think there a single living creature that has such an unhealthy obsession.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Perhaps Xaccers is just 'one of them' who fails to match your level of enthusiasm for her, as is his right?

anyone can claim they are right, when someone cant back something up i fail to understand the point in posting rubbish while i post fact, ignorance ? i thank you sir!!

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

when someone cant back something up i fail to understand the point in posting rubbish while i post fact, ignorance ? i thank you sir!!

perhaps because his rubbish was far more interesting to read than your 'fact'? Next to nobody on here is interested in Avril Lavigne, warranted there are a few, but a proportion of people are now far more interested in your weird insistance on posting useless rubbish about her, did it never occur to you that you're preaching to the wrong congregation?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kronas

anyone can claim they are right, when someone cant back something up i fail to understand the point in posting rubbish while i post fact, ignorance ? i thank you sir!!

What is there for Xaccers to back up? He's not all that impressed with AV, neither am I. I would not call her untalented and I don't think Xac is either (which is something we would need to back up, if that's what we were claiming), we're just not fans of hers and neither her image or music apeals to us. Contrary to what some may think, there is nothing wrong with us for thinking so, no one artist is going to apeal to the masses to the point of total domination.

Kronas we all know how much you like her, fine. But there are many of use who do not share your enthusiasm (or interest), and likewise should be allowed to do so without criticism!

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

What is there for Xaccers to back up? He's not all that impressed with AV, neither am I. I would not call her untalented and I don't think Xac is either (which is something we would need to back up, if that's what we were claiming), we're just not fans of hers and neither her image or music apeals to us. Contrary to what some may think, there is nothing wrong with us for thinking so, no one artist is going to apeal to the masses to the point of total domination.

so why is there always an argument if you see the simpified version of what i was trying to express so that argument cannot be a regukar occurence ?

calling someone a 'boy' or various names is petty

Originally Posted by Russ D

Kronas we all know how much you like her, fine. But there are many of use who do not share your enthusiasm (or interest), and likewise should be allowed to do so without criticism!

so your telling me if she gets 'attacked' and i defend her in her abscence i shouldnt and lay back and take it ?

no russ i wont do that, i dont lay back and take things, a joke is a joke if you mean it as a joke there is a time to stop, if you want to rile me up then it gets boring and does not create a real discussion as it can be counter productive and detrimental to a future threads if sniping is all that we achieved.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

perhaps because his rubbish was far more interesting to read than your 'fact'? Next to nobody on here is interested in Avril Lavigne, warranted there are a few, but a proportion of people are now far more interested in your weird insistance on posting useless rubbish about her, did it never occur to you that you're preaching to the wrong congregation?

whats that saying...... 'another mans rubbish is another mans gold' im not saying she is rubbish to me thats what most of the comments in this thread is utter nonsense same old stance by the same people yes (xaccers bifta russ) the collective few who insist on spreading malicious and false statements in aiming to barrack me.......fine

on a serious note i dont mean people's comments are rubbsih don get on your high horse russ iam stating that the same old thing happens, instead of a constructive outlook......

[Russ]

Originally Posted by kronas

so why is there always an argument if you see the simpified version of what i was trying to express so that argument cannot be a regukar occurence

The arguments always seem to be from yourself when another forum users disagrees with your opinions on her.

Originally Posted by kronas

calling someone a 'boy' or various names is petty

So is 'churchy' but do you see me complain? Or is that 'different'?

Originally Posted by kronas

so your telling me if she gets 'attacked' and i defend her in her abscence i shouldnt and lay back and take it ?

no russ i wont do that, i dont lay back and take things, a joke is a joke if you mean it as a joke there is a time to stop, if you want to rile me up then it gets boring and does not create a real discussion as it can be counter productive and detrimental to a future threads if sniping is all that we achieved.

No-one is interested in riling you up. You can easily defend her without getting offensive or attacking the person whose comments you do not agree with.

Originally Posted by kronas

whats that saying...... 'another mans rubbish is another mans gold' im not saying sh eis rubbish to me thats what most of the in this thread is utter nonsense same old stance by the same people yes (xaccers bifta russ) the collective few who insist on spreading malicious and false statements in aiming to barrack me.......fine

No kronas, we just don't think she's as wonderful as you do. We are allowed to think this. And do you want to point out ONE instance where I've spread a malicious or false statement to, in your words, "barrack you"? If not I think an apology would be in order.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Russ D

The arguments always seem to be from yourself when another forum users disagrees with your opinions on her.

no russ when people like 'neil' come out with posts such as his previous one i welcome those, but its diffarent when the same users jump in to create spam and represent such comments such as 'shes a boy' or counter productive statemnts (yes bifta i know its you)

Originally Posted by Russ D

So is 'churchy' but do you see me complain? Or is that 'different'?

you put a strop on when i called people of a religious charicterisation that on many occasions, i respected peoples religions so stopped that. (even if it was a joke)

Originally Posted by Russ D

No-one is interested in riling you up.

you cant speak for everyone i know a 'few' do

Originally Posted by Russ D

You can easily defend her without getting offensive or attacking the person whose comments you do not agree with.

im not the one waiving insults around its others who do that, surely members should be censored for attacking someone who cant defend themslves ?