Football : Season 2012/2013

Originally Posted by thenry

the loss in the final was a bigger upset Damien. tonight was just more of the same of this decline.

Last night was easily a bigger upset. A league 2 team against a Premiership team? I know the atmosphere around Arsenal is depressing and negative but we've not declined to the status of a league 2 team.

However the final hurt a lot more because we weren't expecting it whilst tonight was a continuation of a bad few months and obviously losing a final is always worse.

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I really hope we're getting a striker and a defensive midfielder, also maybe then Zaha from Palace too. I don't give a flying toss about Walcott either, inconsistent run of form and like Nasri before him he chooses to suddenly apply himself when his contract is nearing an end. Fed up with it. We have Chamberlain and maybe then Zaha so we don't need Walcott at £100,000 a week. Utterly absurd. Wenger is right not to let him use the club as another platform to move onto more money elsewhere.

It also bothers me their constant excuses. Last season he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to see if we're in the Champions League, then he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to play up front, now he doesn't want t discuss it because he isn't playing. We know damn well why you don't want to discuss it, because the club isn't offering £100,000. That's normal, we would all want to be paid more, just admit it.

[denphone]

Arsene Wenger not embarrassed by loss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20689836

Well Mr Wenger l think its time for you to go if you are not embarassed by last night.

[Hom3r]

Well I'm a Yid and think its no big shame losing on penalties, however they should have beaten Bradford long before extra time.

[MalteseFalcon]

Saw on SKY Sports News about 15 minutes ago that the FA and PFA have agreed that from now on any player found guilty of using racist language will be given an automatic ban for a minimum of 5 games.

About time they started clamping down on this.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Saw on SKY Sports News about 15 minutes ago that the FA and PFA have agreed that from now on any player found guilty of using racist language will be given an automatic ban for a minimum of 5 games.

About time they started clamping down on this.

Spot on Mark.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Damien

Last night was easily a bigger upset. A league 2 team against a Premiership team? I know the atmosphere around Arsenal is depressing and negative but we've not declined to the status of a league 2 team.

However the final hurt a lot more because we weren't expecting it whilst tonight was a continuation of a bad few months and obviously losing a final is always worse.

Well thats your view on it. I'd say something unexpected was a bigger upset to something thats come about due to a decline. I mean come on, how long are certain fans still going to blindly support Wenger? I'm not going to be forcefed Wengers crap anymore. Hes lost it, its as simple as that.

Originally Posted by Damien

I really hope we're getting a striker and a defensive midfielder, also maybe then Zaha from Palace too. I don't give a flying toss about Walcott either, inconsistent run of form and like Nasri before him he chooses to suddenly apply himself when his contract is nearing an end. Fed up with it. We have Chamberlain and maybe then Zaha so we don't need Walcott at £100,000 a week. Utterly absurd. Wenger is right not to let him use the club as another platform to move onto more money elsewhere.

It also bothers me their constant excuses. Last season he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to see if we're in the Champions League, then he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to play up front, now he doesn't want t discuss it because he isn't playing. We know damn well why you don't want to discuss it, because the club isn't offering £100,000. That's normal, we would all want to be paid more, just admit it.

Fair enough players leaving is annoying me too but lets please put this into perspective. The players are leaving for a big reason! We are not competing. Our greats of yesterday, a few weeks ago on goals on Sunday Seaman was sitting on the couch saying the thing that kept players at Arsenal was that we was competing and winning. These players are jumping ship at the thought of money and competing, if we was competing then it would be different. Players would think twice even over money.

I'm not buying into its the players fault. I'm not buying into players up and leave just because of money. I'm not buying into any of this crap! The problems are simple. Our manager has caused this, nothing more nothing less. Whether or not the board have let Wenger wonder heedlessly is up in the air and probably true but lets not get away from the fact Wenger earned freedom and hes failed with it. Again! why the hell didn't he add a player or two in 08? He's continued with this crap vision of his. Look at our wage bill, players offering something, add that up. Because we're not competing on the pitch we just saw a pretty crap deal come through the door with Emirates. You may find its good but I think its poor. Our upcoming kit deal is said to be around the 20m mark, if thats true then thats poor too! I want to see Arsenal competing and with that will see our 'business' peak. Mis-bloody-management!

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Originally Posted by denphone

Arsene Wenger not embarrassed by loss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20689836

Well Mr Wenger l think its time for you to go if you are not embarassed by last night.

hes starting to annoy me. you know hes letting the players get paid huge amounts for very little because of his own hellbent ways. its him!

Wenger comments post match via SkySports...

"Congratulations to Bradford, they had a good start and after that they defended well,"

they done ok, they were up for it but our faults were clear to see.

"Overall we had many chances. The keeper had a great game and we couldn't convert our chances.

we had chances to do something but failed. same ol'd hey!

"When you go out it's never good enough at Arsenal. I think we lost on penalties to a team who defended well."

defended well? ok on we go to the next line...

"I cannot fault the effort we gave for 120 minutes. You have to give credit to Bradford on the night. That's part of the game. You feel embarrassed when you don't give everything, I think (the players'll) be more disappointed and frustrated."

effort? giving everything? look there were positives but come on, that was a poor same ol'd new decline performance. so were there any problems Arsene?

"It's not a lack of quality. We couldn't convert our chances for different reasons. Overall it was a real cup game."

so now we're getting somewhere!!! we have the quality, yes we do have a pretty decent squad, not amazing but one that should be performing better. I was shocked the guy asking the questions didn't ask Arsene what these different reasons were? has he woken up? I doubt it very much. Overall its Wengers frigging fault!

"We will get over that. It's part of our club, it's what we do."

Wengers becoming a pro within his own crap. careful.

"It was a typical English cup game on a difficult pitch and overall we lost on penalties but I cannot fault the efforts, we kept going until the last minute and in the end Bradford got on top of us. The pitch was a bit slippery and there was no space."

efforts? lame! the pitch was slippery and there was no space. rightttt! make bloody space then! jeez.

"Of course we missed three penalties and that's a lot to take."

actually its not. what has been a lot to take is this continued decline because of his bullcrap vision.

"We played with a very offensive team and for over an hour played with five strikers but couldn't score."

we played an offensive side but put square pegs in round holes. Gervinho=FAIL! Ramsey=FAIL! 100k of Pod not put upfront=FAIL! trying to replicate the movement formation of Barca, Spain = FAIL!

"Where does it leave our season? To focus on the next game, sport is about that."

great, more of the same then? the odd win followed by our crap being shown up for all to see apart our trusty manager whos lost. brilliant. I'm looking forward to it as always.

Originally Posted by thenry

Well thats your view point on it. I'd say something unexpected was a bigger upset to something thats come about due to a decline. I mean come on, how long are certain fans still going to blindly support Wenger? I'm not going to be forcefed Wengers crap anymore. Hes lost it, its as simple as that.

But you've never supported Wenger. As long as you've been on here you've been slagging him off even when we've done well. There is a difference though between blindly supporting him and still thinking he is the best man for the job. No one is happy with the last couple of years but I, and others, want him to change the strategy and the management of the entire club to be more focused on the team.

You complain that we missed out in 2008 but the other way to look at it is the quality of the team he built on hardly any money. He has actually built three teams at Arsenal - the first double winning side, the Invincibles and the FÃ*bregas' era team. This current team is not one of them. Since that players from the FÃ*bregas era have departed (2010) we've been a bit hectic and, frankly, a mess but Wenger still got that shower to third place in the league and successively past the group stages of the Champions League. Something that is no small achievement considering Chelsea and United have both failed to do that in recent years.

So instead I want Wenger to build the forth team of his management. He has earned the right to do that, not only because of the titles he has won but how he coped under the debt of the stadium and kept us in the Champions League whilst building that third team that broke up too soon. We have the elements there, the English core of Wilshere, Chamberlain and such but now we need that process to be faster with some bigger buys more akin to the Invincible Era than the FÃ*bregas era.

The current team isn't good enough, the new owner isn't good enough, and these results are not good enough. We have two world class assets at the club: Wenger and the stadium. Let's use them to build a new team starting this transfer window.

Because we're not competing on the pitch we just saw a pretty crap deal come through the door with Emirates. You may find its good but I think its poor. Our upcoming kit deal is said to be around the 20m mark, if thats true then thats poor too! I want to see Arsenal competing and with that will see our 'business' peak. Mis-bloody-management!

It wasn't just me who said the Emirates deal was good. Everybody was saying it. You may think it's poor but you're, with respect, not an expert on commence. So unless you can point to similar clubs with better deals (note it's only United who've done better) then we have to take that complaint with a bit of salt.

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Originally Posted by thenry

hes starting to annoy me.

LOL.

Also, please expand your vocabulary beyond 'crap'.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Damien

But you've never supported Wenger. As long as you've been on here you've been slagging him off even when we've done well. There is a difference though between blindly supporting him and still thinking he is the best man for the job. No one is happy with the last couple of years but I, and others, want him to change the strategy and the management of the entire club to be more focused on the team.

I do support Wenger. I want him to turn it around. It hurts me as a supporter to see him decline because of his own hellbent ways yet I'm not foolish enough to blindly support him. Players don't react to his methods. There are players at Arsenal, resources that are not being utilized. You say any other manager couldn't do anything when thats not true. Do you honestly think Fergie would put up some of the crap going on at Arsenal? I doubt it very much. He'd have the players performing at the very least and if not kick them out the club.

Originally Posted by Damien

You complain that we missed out in 2008 but the other way to look at it is the quality of the team he built on hardly any money. He has actually built three teams at Arsenal - the first double winning side, the Invincibles and the FÃ*bregas' era team. This current team is not one of them. Since that players from the FÃ*bregas era have departed (2010) we've been a bit hectic and, frankly, a mess but Wenger still got that shower to third place in the league and successively past the group stages of the Champions League. Something that is no small achievement considering Chelsea and United have both failed to do that in recent years.

Firstly the money was there. Wenger decided to bang out mega contracts to youth instead. Some came off but the obvious pee takers didn't. Fine nothings perfect still as a manager if you see a fault you fix it, or try or get rid of the problem and add something that will add something to the cause. Hardly any money? yeah the clubs been banking and good, we need it for the future still I don't see how adding a player or two in the region of 15mil each would ruin us. That would of got us honours, winning trophies, competitions. that then in turn brings in more revenue in various areas.

I cannot fault Wenger of reaching the CL still I'm not going to be content with that. not when we COULD and SHOULD be moving forward. I don't buy into 'what if it doesn't work'. Make it work and it'll happen. After all you yourself have already highlighted this is a manager thats built quality sides. I myself see Wenger as a manager worth 100mil spend each window so the spend required isn't as much as what other clubs spend still no sign of that extra player or two coming in. So bloody what if other players are hampered, it keeps everyone on their toes. If theres success where our game is peaking playing great stuff the players not involved will want to get involved. they will have an extra spring in their step, its natural to react that way.

Originally Posted by Damien

So instead I want Wenger to build the forth team of his management. He has earned the right to do that, not only because of the titles he has won but how he coped under the debt of the stadium and kept us in the Champions League whilst building that third team that broke up too soon. We have the elements there, the English core of Wilshere, Chamberlain and such but now we need that process to be faster with some bigger buys more akin to the Invincible Era than the FÃ*bregas era.

he had the chance to get a brilliant title winning squad together but opted not to buy the 1 or 2 player(s) needed. he earned the right to freedom which hes now got but undeniably failed. CL qualification aside hes failed to utilize resources. I hope that changes and he manages to clear the crap so players can be brought in.

Originally Posted by Damien

The current team isn't good enough, the new owner isn't good enough, and these results are not good enough. We have two world class assets at the club: Wenger and the stadium. Let's use them to build a new team starting this transfer window.

right firstly Stans Mr Security. Nothing more, nothing less. Arsenals seniors will not allow Arsenals way to become a thing of the past. The way the club has been run is how it will continue to be run. Stans a lucky man to be involved at Arsenal.

We also have assets in players going untouched. Please don't tell me they've given up, if that was the case then we'd be within our right to rip their contracts up. Their only playing Wengers methods.

We've said that for the past 2 years now have we not? Wengers decides hes got better ideas.

Originally Posted by Damien

It wasn't just me who said the Emirates deal was good. Everybody was saying it. You may think it's poor but you're, with respect, not an expert on commence. So unless you can point to similar clubs with better deals (note it's only United who've done better) then we have to take that complaint with a bit of salt.

No, everybody wasn't saying it was epic. Its was ok but not great and i think you'll find people working in the City within finances were saying it wasnt all that. Arsenal could have obtained a few more quid had we been competing so its poor. please note I do not accept our current state and I don't see it as a reason to hype up deals. Yes Arsenal is a huge brand, of it is yet that very brand should be moving forward rather than sideways and backwards. Moving forward sees progression when dealing with revenue. The ball would be fully in our hands rather than businesses willing to sponsor. We'd call the shots. Businesses would happily hand over a few extra mil for their name to be printed. I take you back to 08, playing great stuff. Screw the fact we needed a player or two extra, focus on the football played. That got great attention. Thats the sort of thing businesses are looking to sponsor. 'did you see Arsenal play last night, they play some brilliant stuff, all that pass and movement its like playing Fifa' etc. Viewers then take note of every little thing connected to Arsenal which of course includes sponsor names.

Originally Posted by Damien

LOL.

Also, please expand your vocabulary beyond 'crap'.

its the sort of crap that bores the crap out of crap.

[thenry]

nice choice of picture on Arsenal.com



THE TLAS STAND!

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Stewart Robson lays into Arsene Wenger, calling him a dictator

http://www.skysports.com/video/inlin...328437,00.html

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

nice choice of picture on Arsenal.com



THE TLAS STAND!

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Stewart Robson lays into Arsene Wenger, calling him a dictator

http://www.skysports.com/video/inlin...328437,00.html

You have to remember ex players will always have their say thenry so l suspect its water off a camel's back for Arsene,

[thenry]

sorry I don't understand?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

sorry I don't understand?

He's heard it all before from other ex players so basically he will close his ears to any criticism from them.

Robson has always been gunning for Wenger. He has a massive chip on his shoulder for whatever reason.

Even when he was on Arsenal TV he would never let it go and eventually they let him go so he went to TalkSpite and hence then he is a rent-a-quote whenever they want to wind up Arsenal fans.

[thenry]

a few others have too having been shafted.

Originally Posted by thenry

a few others have too having been shafted.

Wenger never even dealt with the man, he left Arsenal long before that. Probably just bitter his management career ending after one year, cos he was rubbish, and like most failed managers he became a pundit.