[Merged] The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season - Page 191

Russ · 19-05-2006, 23:47

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Originally Posted by smicer07

Erm Gerrard won the Champions League, FA Cup and Super Cup with Liverpool, and has a decent chance of winning the league with us next season. If he'd gone to Chelsea he'd have bought the league, great, but it's going to be so much sweeter for him to do it at his home town club.

The Champions League was a fluke - Liverpool won't do that again for a long time. The Super Cup? I don't rate that and Liverpool won't win the league next year. You're right about the FA Cup though.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

sig as me and nffc keep explaining man u have also brought their position. Difference between chelsea and man u is chelsea have spent their money in a short period of time whilst man u spent theirs over many years.

And we used home-grown players. Plus we didn't buy instant success.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I love the way you keep saying that United would have won the league if Chelsea hadn't, its like me saying we would have won the FA cup if Liverpool hadn't.

Yes, but it's not quite what I'm saying though is it? Chelsea bought their success, they didn't fight for it over a number of years, they just brought in a sugar daddy, offered a top manager an unlimited transfer pot and bought top players (and discarded the ones who didn't work, like Wright-Phillips, Veron etc and wrote them off as 'expenses') whereas United did exactly the same as what we've been doing for years.

TheDaddy · 19-05-2006, 23:51

I take it you are aware that Roony and Rio cost more than any Chelsea player

Plus I am sure Veron is one of yours that you wrote off as an expense

Russ · 19-05-2006, 23:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I take it you are aware that Roony and Rio cost more than any Chelsea player

Yes, bought with money earned from success on the pitch, not from an oil rig.

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Plus I am sure Veron is one of yours that you wrote off as an expense

How long was he at Chelsea for before they offloaded him?

TheDaddy · 19-05-2006, 23:54

So when you broke the transfer record for Gary Pallister then Roy Keane, what success was the club basing that on.

Russ · 19-05-2006, 23:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So when you broke the transfer record for Gary Pallister then Roy Keane, what success was the club basing that on.

Did it buy us instant success? Did we continue to make large purchases to keep on buying success?

Or did we bring in a load of talented home-grown players?

TheDaddy · 20-05-2006, 00:04

Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.

smicer07 · 20-05-2006, 00:07

I'm with the Manc on this one, despite his ridiculous comments about Gerrard earlier. At least Man Utd brought players like Scholes, the ugly sisters, Giggs, etc, through the youth system (and nicked a few, a la Beckham). Chelsea have just gone out and bought whoever they want like a kid in a sweet shop. There's a massive difference between spending a lot of money over a few years (Man U, and to a lesser extent, Liverpool), than going out and spending over 200m in less than a year (Chelsea). Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible

Russ · 20-05-2006, 00:08

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.

One player won't win a team the title, I thought you'd have known at least that. And don't forget the season before that we came second so we already had about the same level of success.

SAF brought in 'Fergie's fledglings' rather than break transfer records constantly. By the time we broke the bank again with Andy Cole, we were already established as championship material.

All this came from money earned by team success.

smicer07 · 20-05-2006, 00:09

But Russ:

"The Champions League was a fluke - Liverpool won't do that again for a long time. The Super Cup? I don't rate that and Liverpool won't win the league next year. You're right about the FA Cup though."

Is crap mate. Whether you feel the Champions League was a fluke or not, I could say the same about Man Utd in 1999 (late 2 goals against Bayern only the tip of the iceberg). We didn't win the CL the easy way either- beating AC Milan, Juventus and Chelsea along the way.To win the Super Cup, you need to either have won the UEFA or Champions League, which makes it an important and difficult trophy to win in itself.

Russ · 20-05-2006, 00:11

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Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible

I'll send you a set of hubcaps as a reward

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I could say the same about Man Utd in 1999 (late 2 goals against Bayern only the tip of the iceberg).

You might be right, but don't forget we took the treble that year.

smicer07 · 20-05-2006, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I'll send you a set of hubcaps as a reward

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You might be right, but don't forget we took the treble that year.

My hubcaps are fine thanks, I had far more trouble when I was at uni in Manchester to be honest

I know you won a treble, but I'm not talking about the other 2 trophies, you claim we were "flukey" to win the CL, but beating Juve, Chelsea, Bayer, AC Milan... "fluke" only gets you so far.

TheDaddy · 20-05-2006, 00:14

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Originally Posted by smicer07

I'm with the Manc on this one, despite his ridiculous comments about Gerrard earlier. At least Man Utd brought players like Scholes, the ugly sisters, Giggs, etc, through the youth system (and nicked a few, a la Beckham). Chelsea have just gone out and bought whoever they want like a kid in a sweet shop. There's a massive difference between spending a lot of money over a few years (Man U, and to a lesser extent, Liverpool), than going out and spending over 200m in less than a year (Chelsea). Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible

Come on who has come throught their youth system in the last ten years, O'Shea who they keep trying to sell, Brown who is always injured and Fletcher who they don't like and whilst I agree that the money Chelsea spend is crass I feel there is more than a little of a pot calling kettle black situation going on.

Russ · 20-05-2006, 00:16

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Originally Posted by smicer07

My hubcaps are fine thanks, I had far more trouble when I was at uni in Manchester to be honest

I know you won a treble, but I'm not talking about the other 2 trophies, you claim we were "flukey" to win the CL, but beating Juve, Chelsea, Bayer, AC Milan... "fluke" only gets you so far.

But you're missing my point - Liverpool won't do that again for a good few years yet just like United. Gerrard might acheive FA Cup success occasionally but the Premiership and Champions league are honours he won't be experiencing.

smicer07 · 20-05-2006, 00:16

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Come on who has come throught their youth system in the last ten years, O'Shea who they keep trying to sell, Brown who is always injured and Fletcher who they don't like and whilst I agree that the money Chelsea spend is crass I feel there is more than a little of a pot calling kettle black situation going on.

I'm Liverpool through and through mate, but I can't really agree with you there, sorry! Each to their own

Chrysalis · 20-05-2006, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Did it buy us instant success? Did we continue to make large purchases to keep on buying success?

Or did we bring in a load of talented home-grown players?

no buts because your manager needed years to make the most of them, to me that makes mourinho a better manager then fergie quite simple.