All F1 2004 Discussions

[sherer]

what we need is the following

slick tyres... narrow at the front and huge at the rear
tyres should be hard enough to last entire race.. this would mean there would be no marbles off the racing line so cars could use the extra track without penalty
no refueling.. cars should be on track at all times. with no pitstops for tyres or fuel cars have to overtake if they want to move up a place
revert back to car width from pre-98 and reduce wing width by 2 inches each side of the central plane
no barge boards, extra wings on engine covers \ in front of rear wheels
no sensors on the car or computer data allowed.. black box recorders to be used by FIA only for recording accidents and increasing safety.. the driver is the best sensor there is so why get a computer to do it ?
allow more powerful engines and go back to steel brakes.. let the cars go faster and make them have greater distances to slow down for corners
qualifying as it was
circuits with more highy speed corners
get rid of the 2 hour race time limit
no safety car ( no refueling allowed so can't be used as cars would drop out of race)
raise the weight limit and ban balast.. make the cars heavier and force contructors to put the extra weight in making cars safer rather than lowering centre of gravity
rules stability for next 5 years to allow smaller teams a chance to catch up
wind tunnels use limited
point for pole and fastest lap
less testing plus teams to nominate testing circuit to prevent testing at circuits before GP weekends
F1 fans to sit on F1 comission

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

so button or montoya or coulthard or raikonnen in a ferrari wouldnt win then

As i said, Ferrari have bought themselves the best team by buying the best people (e.g. drivers, engineers etc) Sadly i dont think those drivers in a Ferarri would win either. Schumacher arrived at Benneton and was instrumental in making it a winning team. That fact of te matter is that the team is built around his driving style.

Taking another driver and putting them in Schumachers car doesnt mean they should be as good as him. Everyone likes a different car set up and that often means the car is designed around the #1 dirvers driving style.

Originally Posted by sherer

what about Varzi, Ascari ( both Antonio and Alberto), Caraciolla,Mosmeyer and Stuck

let's face it half of these names are unknown to people here but you can't discount what they achieved.

For my money and the best of all was Nurvolari

The important words in the point made as "HIS GENERATION" all those drivers are from a different generation and cannot be compared with anyone in the current generation. They knew how to use a clutch and a gearbox!

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by andy 1

once again schumacher is favoured by the stewards,i bet if any other driver did this he would have been disqualified.

I disagree with this, he is favoured by the team to the detriment of their No. 2 driver, far more than any other teams. You get the impression that the drivers in other teams work as a team of drivers, not in Ferarri.

Im all for seeing ballast added for previous points scored just like in Touring Car racing

o its you again graham is it.
i can have my say on this forum just like you can.if you don't like what i put don't read my posts.

[ian@huth]

Does anyone in their right mind believe that the other nine teams would spend around £1 billion a year if there was even the slightest possibility that these conspiracy theories were true? Many a race is decided by a single incident that if it happened just a fraction of a second earlier or later would mean a different result. Pit strategy is a prime example where only a fraction of a second can mean the difference between being stuck behind a slower car or being in front of it when leaving the pit lane. Let's face it, Ferrari have had the better car, the better reliability, the better strategy and the best driver in recent years.

Originally Posted by andy 1

o its you again graham is it.
i can have my say on this forum just like you can.if you don't like what i put don't read my posts.

now now girlies

sorry smharman
i beg to differ schumacher in my opinion schumacher is definately favoured by bernie ecclestone,charlie whiting and the stewards.
ask montoya see what he thinks.
also was that quote the one about him being pushed back onto the track.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by andy 1

sorry smharman
i beg to differ schumacher in my opinion schumacher is definately favoured by bernie ecclestone,charlie whiting and the stewards.
ask montoya see what he thinks.

i'm afraid to say all the evidence points to this.. look at 97 where he got let off for driving into Villeneuve.. he should have been kicked out of the 97 championship and had his results removed from the record books, all his victories from there still stand and been kicked out of 98 as well.

Part of the problem is that the cars are so safe now the drivers know if they hit each other they can get way with it.. in the past that wasn't the case. look at Trulli's accident from Silverstone for example.. If they knew they would get a broken bone or worse from a crash would Shuey drive the way he does.. i think not

thats a good idea sherer.
f1 fans to sit on a f1 commision.
also what about making f1 more fan friendly instead of celebrity friendly.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by gary_580

The important words in the point made as "HIS GENERATION" all those drivers are from a different generation and cannot be compared with anyone in the current generation. They knew how to use a clutch and a gearbox!

i think what Bernie should do is get some Alfa P8s built and get the best drivers from F1, Champ Cars, F3000, Nascar, IRL etc to race in them in Non-Championship 500 mile races over the winter..

Then we could really see who was the best at the moment.

Still think if you look at Nuvolari and what he did over his career or even G Hill or Clark and how they could be quick in anything they are better than Shuey who gets a car built so he can drive it.. Look at what happened when Alesi and Berger went to Benneton and couldn't drive the old car Shuey had.. Don't think it is a coincidence that after Ruben pushed Shuey harder than he been pushed over a season by a teammate before the next car they made suited Shuey better and now Rubens can't challenge him any more

[QUOTE=sherer]i think what Bernie should do is get some Alfa P8s built and get the best drivers from F1, Champ Cars, F3000, Nascar, IRL etc to race in them in Non-Championship 500 mile races over the winter..

Then we could really see who was the best at the moment.



don't the americans already do some thing like this and call it iroc

[sherer]

International Race of Champions = IROC.. not very international as all US people but there you go

it's saloon cars with the IRL and nascar stars in them.. we need to do something similar but go back to cars with no wings \ downforce

[Matth]

There was a reminder that car safety is not everythin, with Ralph's accident - F1 Cars and concrete don't get on well together, unlike at Monaco, where there are a lot of walls, but plenty of armco to slide along.


Maybe the other teams will figure a way to counter the strategy that Ferrari use a little too much.... carrying a few laps more fuel, and risking losing out on pole. Trouble is, if all the other teams did the same, they'd be behind - it need ONE to get in front, for those behind to surprise him by running longer.

Mind you, if they DO change the qualifying, how's that going to work?
Fuel 'em up at the start and then try to get a good lap, whil keeping more fuel, and not spending the tyres too much?

A whole new balance, as on average, the best lap would either be on fresh tyres, or with a low fuel load. I'd guess on Coulthard being a few places up if they move away from single lap quali, as he's never been good with it.

The 10 place penalty for engine changes is also rather too steep, especially as it usually seems to be bottom half of the pack teams who seem more likely to be in that position.