The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years - Page 19

Gary L · 26-11-2015, 23:53

As I've always said and stick by.

The British are thick as ....
the only intelligent ones are the crooks.

we all knew this was going to happen. and so did they.
they wanted the VAT on the petrol.

Over 1/4 million more "illegal" vehicles on the road because of the change.
you can safely say that these 1/4 million vehicles have no insurance and MOT either.

the British really need to accept that they're one of the most thickest countries in the world.

beeman · 27-11-2015, 06:45

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The loss in revenue for the government is "significant", he said, having risen from £35m in 2013 to an estimated £80m now "and, it has to be pointed out, far exceeds the forecast £10m efficiency saving

Actually looking at that quote i dont think the revenue is actually that much down. My math says £80m evaded now - £35m (before) - £10m in savings the new sceme delivers means there now £35m down.

Not included in the figures is the extra revenue there getting from the overlap on sales (now you cant transfer the tax and cant partal refund)

nomadking · 27-11-2015, 08:05

Surely the impact at most would be the gap between the car being sold and when it would have to be renewed even under the old system? Eg if when a car is sold there is 3 months left before renewal, then only those 3 months should be missing before the new owner would have had to renew it under the old system.

rhyds · 27-11-2015, 09:17

It wouldn't surprise me if the increase is down to having a heck of a lot more ANPR cameras out and more cars being caught. There's been a load of fixed units installed locally just before the change came in.

heero_yuy · 27-11-2015, 09:58

I think there's also a lot of people who assume that the tax continues at least to the end of the month and are getting caught out quite innocently.

After all if it was working properly then the DVLA should be getting an extra 2 weeks worth of tax (average) everytime a car is sold on due to the overlapping of the new tax purchase.

rhyds · 27-11-2015, 10:08

Also, the percentage of untaxed cars has gone from 0.8% to 1.6%. While it is a doubling, it's still a very small fraction of all the cars out there.

heero_yuy · 27-11-2015, 10:19

It would make more sense to move the tax onto the fuel. Then it's automatically higher for gas guzzlers, costs next to nothing in extra admin and cannot be evaded. (Unless you're using illegal red diesel)

Gary L · 27-11-2015, 10:23

The way the tax works when you buy and sell is if the previous owner had it taxed. then he or she doesn't inform DVLA till towards the end of the month because they don't get part months refunded anyway.

and it's only the police who will know if it's taxed. and as long as it's still being shown as taxed on the system with the previous owner then nobody is to know that it's not you that hasn't taxed it.

nobody cares.
well they do but they have better things to do than worry about things like that.

I know of one car that has no MOT July 15. no TAX April 15 and no Insurance. and is being used everyday.
nobody cares. he's buying petrol so the VAT on that is good money to them.

heero_yuy · 27-11-2015, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The way the tax works when you buy and sell is if the previous owner had it taxed. then he or she doesn't inform DVLA till towards the end of the month because they don't get part months refunded anyway.

and it's only the police who will know if it's taxed. and as long as it's still being shown as taxed on the system with the previous owner then nobody is to know that it's not you that hasn't taxed it.

nobody cares.
well they do but they have better things to do than worry about things like that.

I know of one car that has no MOT July 15. no TAX April 15 and no Insurance. and is being used everyday.
nobody cares. he's buying petrol so the VAT on that is good money to them.

He'll get caught speeding.

rhyds · 27-11-2015, 10:35

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It would make more sense to move the tax onto the fuel. Then it's automatically higher for gas guzzlers, costs next to nothing in extra admin and cannot be evaded. (Unless you're using illegal red diesel)

You would have to develop a "Red Petrol" equivalent, unless you want to pay tax on lawnmowers, off road bikes, generators and the like. Also, red diesel abuse is rife, much higher than the ~2% of car tax evaders.

mrmistoffelees · 27-11-2015, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The way the tax works when you buy and sell is if the previous owner had it taxed. then he or she doesn't inform DVLA till towards the end of the month because they don't get part months refunded anyway.

and it's only the police who will know if it's taxed. and as long as it's still being shown as taxed on the system with the previous owner then nobody is to know that it's not you that hasn't taxed it.

nobody cares.
well they do but they have better things to do than worry about things like that.

I know of one car that has no MOT July 15. no TAX April 15 and no Insurance. and is being used everyday.
nobody cares. he's buying petrol so the VAT on that is good money to them.

Why don't you report them?

TheDaddy · 27-11-2015, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The way the tax works when you buy and sell is if the previous owner had it taxed. then he or she doesn't inform DVLA till towards the end of the month because they don't get part months refunded anyway.

and it's only the police who will know if it's taxed. and as long as it's still being shown as taxed on the system with the previous owner then nobody is to know that it's not you that hasn't taxed it.

nobody cares.
well they do but they have better things to do than worry about things like that.

I know of one car that has no MOT July 15. no TAX April 15 and no Insurance. and is being used everyday.
nobody cares. he's buying petrol so the VAT on that is good money to them.

Its your car isn't it Gary

Gary L · 27-11-2015, 11:32

I have reported him.
to the police and DVLA. over 3 weeks ago.

Taf · 27-11-2015, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Gary L

it's only the police who will know if it's taxed.

It's the DVLA who know if it's taxed and to whom it belongs. And it's the DVLA that automatically sends out fines for untaxed vehicles to the last known owner. Plus it's the last known owner who has to pay, not the current one, until the DVLA is informed of the sale and to whom it was sold.

Ditto MOT test and insurance.

I have always said that the tax should be added to fuel, so the more you use, the more you pay. But "urban motorsists" don't like that, and it's often "urban motorists" that have HMG's ear.

Derek · 07-06-2016, 20:12

Another well thought out plan goes entirely according to plan...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36468138

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The amount of vehicle excise duty collected from motorists fell by more than £200m in the six months after the tax disc was abolished, figures show.

That's with some people being double charged for part months.