Football : Season 08/09

[sherer]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's because it can't be used at every match, they'd say if the Stockport and Oldhams of this world cant benefit from it the no one should and with a league system they are probably right, unless of course the aim is to make the Prem even more elitist

whilst I agree in part with that there is also the football pyramid with what happens at the elite level falling down to the lower leagues and I think if diving was cut out at the top level then it will be cut out lower down the leagues too.

Just a shame the FA don't think the same way

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

As well as a retrospective system like yours I'd love to see the following...

To reduce pressure on the ref I think there should be a third ref watching the screen/video evidence. The referee has already stopped play by blowing the whistle. The attacker has lost his advantage at this stage as the 'fouled' player is rolling on the floor holding his knee. The referee on the pitch can confer with the referee watching the video and within a few minutes you get a decision. It's either a penalty or a yellow card if the guy dived to try and con the ref.

The problem with that idea would be that the referee's will end up using the system to check all fouls in and around the box and will totally disrupt the match. Then there's the case of not all penalty decisions are clear cut, you can watch replay after replay of decisions and there are still different views on it from different people. Also what would have happened for the penalty decision United got? It was niether a penalty or a dive, so how would you restart the match? If the ball had fallen to an attacking player after the tackle and the referee had blown the whistle to check if it was a penalty it's hardly fair to stop the play and then restart from a drop ball as they have lost any advantage they had. There's too many problems with systems like these for it to work without causing issues in my opinion.

[c_r]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

The problem with that idea would be that the referee's will end up using the system to check all fouls in and around the box and will totally disrupt the match. Then there's the case of not all penalty decisions are clear cut, you can watch replay after replay of decisions and there are still different views on it from different people. Also what would have happened for the penalty decision United got? It was niether a penalty or a dive, so how would you restart the match? If the ball had fallen to an attacking player after the tackle and the referee had blown the whistle to check if it was a penalty it's hardly fair to stop the play and then restart from a drop ball as they have lost any advantage they had. There's too many problems with systems like these for it to work without causing issues in my opinion.

It's very difficult isn't it? I've always thought one of the best things to do would be to have the referees wear a microphone. If it didn't make the players realise how stupid they frequently look then at least the tv companies would have to put a stop to the petulance/bad language.

[TheDaddy]

Shame their aren't more professionals like him, I'd love some one to play for the Hammers who cared as much about the club as this guy does Bilbao, it must be a Spanish thing, when Athletico Madrid were relegated a Spanish international called Kiko played for free to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/7649109.stm

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Being a referee myself, l find that each week, that l carry out games, we are on a loser, for the simple reason is, if the Ref's at top level, cannot get it right, how the hell do they expect us to get it right at lower level.

There has to be a camera on the goal line for example, if that ball crosses that line, in a bunch of players, the ref, and ass. cannot see it, and the goalkeeper is laying over the ball, just think of the 'goal' at Man Utd v Tottenham, when the ball was TWO FEET over the line and the ref and linesman, didn't see it.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Being a big Spurs fan, l think it is time that Mr Daniel Levy, told Mr Ramos, your time is up, before it is too late.

So far this season, has been the worst start for a Tottenham team for over twenty years, You cannot play a game with only ONE striker, and we have that, it saddens me when l say that, but we have got act quickly to resolve this matter, there is a big difference playing in Europe with Sevilla, and playing in the biggest league in the world which is the Premier League, Recently, Polchenko stated that the training was too tough, that say's it all.

[iadom]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Being a referee myself, l find that each week, that l carry out games, we are on a loser, for the simple reason is, if the Ref's at top level, cannot get it right, how the hell do they expect us to get it right at lower level.

There has to be a camera on the goal line for example, if that ball crosses that line, in a bunch of players, the ref, and ass. cannot see it, and the goalkeeper is laying over the ball, just think of the 'goal' at Man Utd v Tottenham, when the ball was TWO FEET over the line and the ref and linesman, didn't see it.

What complete and utter drivel, even Mr Magoo could see that ball was never over the line.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post1485.html

[wigro]

Coventry city 4 , southampton 1 . There is a god lol. I work with the scummers and would have got so much stick if cov had lost . Will just smile at them now .

Spurs sort of deserve this for the way they treated Jol last year, he did well with spurs and they finished 5th for 2 seasons in a row! However it was not enough for them, they wanted Champions League (Unrealistic with that team) so out he goes and in comes someone else.

They are suffering from the weight of their over-exceptions

[PC Virgin]

Uefa fire debt warning
Clubs could face European exclusion
Last updated: 8th October 2008


Uefa general secretary David Taylor has warned clubs with heavy debts they could be excluded from European competitions.

Football Association chairman Lord Triesman revealed on Tuesday that English clubs currently owe an estimated £3billion.

Triesman stated that such debts posed a 'terrible danger' in the current global climate and Taylor shares his concerns.

He is worried about the problem across the continent and has threatened to take action against any club that fails to deal with serious debts.

"There would be forms of communication, even warnings, even reprimands before one would ever get to a situation of exclusion but it's absolutely possible," Taylor told the Leaders in Football Conference.

Taylor also expressed concern that clubs are putting their futures in jeopardy by exposing themselves to debt that would require a 'white knight' to bail them out.

He said: "We are looking at strengthening the minimal financial criteria and other forms of self regulation that may impose greater standards on clubs that want to compete in European competitions and beyond that club football."

Stability
Uefa have set up a working party to investigate ways of controlling the spiralling debt.

Taylor said: "This is an attempt to find greater financial stability, especially at a time when banks are failing. Governments might bail out banks but they are not going to bail out a football club,

"The current system needs to be looked at, it needs more transparency. We need to look at which areas we regulate to ensure the long-term stability of the clubs.

"It is not something that will happen overnight, we are still at the stage of investigating and developing solutions, but we are concerned about the longer term."


Convinced
Taylor also echoed Triesman in dismissing the current 'fit and proper persons' test for ownership as of little use in establishing the financial credentials of people looking to take over clubs.

He added: "We welcome investment in football but we want stronger roots for that investment and this is an attempt to find greater stability.

"Many new owners or investors are not giving gifts to clubs. In most cases they are loans and ultimately the club is indebted to its benefactor.

"There are no solutions yet but we are all convinced something needs to be done."



http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...261600,00.html


Four biggers clubs in England-Debts

Man utd-764m
Chelsea-738m
Liverpool-350m
Arsenal-318m-because of the new ground

To be honest all this has come about because off platini moaning and is jealous of english clubs becoming dominant in europe, He never complained when he was playing for juventus when the club itself was in huge debt and was succsessful, Too faced frog

What are your thoughts?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Iadom, you don't need Mr Magoo's glasses, you need to go to specsavers, and try some there, 42.000 fans see the ball over the line, even the following morning Sir Alec, said, this was down to the officals, there again, depends on how much Fergie paid them

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Hi Damien,
I could not agree more with you, In the last weeks of Jol, the Spurs fans sang a song for him, and l can assure you it brought a lump too my throat.

Jol did a lot in the time, he was at Spurs, but it was that Commeli, that has done big damage, it would not surprise me, if we are fighting relegation this year, it only needs the teams above us, to get a winning streak and we are in trouble, it has been revealed, that Palyscenko is out till the end of this month, and we are left with Bale, We can't rely on Campbell, as Juande won't play him for a full game.

We need a couple of on loan strikers, What club would get rid of there two main strikers, we knew ******* Berba, was going, but not Keano.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by PC Virgin

To be honest all this has come about because off platini moaning and is jealous of english clubs becoming dominant in europe, He never complained when he was playing for juventus when the club itself was in huge debt and was succsessful, Too faced frog

What are your thoughts?

I think the full comments state it isn't a problem for clubs to be in debt just like most people are with a mortgage. it's something they will look into deeper and as long as clubs are managing the finances then it will be ok.

If clubs have debt and no means to cover it then they could be blocked from playing in Europe

[Russ]

Perhaps clubs in debt are hoping to use their cash prize on winning the trophy to pay towards what they owe? Entry in to the Champion's league is very lucrative so suggesting debt-ridden teams are banned from it is a very good way of ensuring they stay in debt.

I wonder if Blater writes his scripts for him?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Maybe, if these clubs did not pay such digusting wages, ie £120.000 PER WEEK, for one player, then these clubs would not be in such debt, if say Spurs paid ALL there players each week, it would be in the region of about 2 million per week, disgusting, and that is for working 180 minutes per week, and training for two hours per day. (which isn't work, is it)_

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Maybe, if these clubs did not pay such digusting wages, ie £120.000 PER WEEK, for one player, then these clubs would not be in such debt, if say Spurs paid ALL there players each week, it would be in the region of about 2 million per week, disgusting, and that is for working 180 minutes per week, and training for two hours per day. (which isn't work, is it)_

If having such famous names play each week makes the fans pay millions to the club to see them, isn't it only right the players get a wedge of that? If it was not for the big names then would the club make so much money in merchandising, ticket revenue? I'm not saying it's right that a man gets £120,000 a week, but put in perspective I understand it.