"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Russ

What I mean is the police around here use mobiles as well as radios, just wondering if the prison service use them too. Maybe some prisons are close to public buildings and areas where mobile signal blockers could affect civvies too?

My sister and brother in law are prison officers Nr Doncaster, they tell me that mobiles are not permitted to be takin into the prison by prison officers.

Apparently alot of the phones are simply thrown over the wall to the prisoners by "well-wishers" aka relatives/cohorts etc.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The way to beat all this problem. is to take away ALL computors and mobiles from prison, and if these computors have to be used for classes for example, then get in a wizard on computors to block anything like facebook etc.

In prisons up and down the ground, they are like holiday camps, when you go prison, it is for punishment of the crime, not go to Butlins.

Are you sure that any of the computers prisoners use have internet access?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Via smuggled-in mobile phones and even during 'closely supervised' internet access:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nts-jack-straw

Didn't this story start a few days ago accusing Jack Straw of trying to prevent Facebook from allowing nasty messages being posted. If I remember rightly a lot of people were saying that he shouldn't do that, because it was government interference and "Nanny State". Now, of course, when the true nature of the proposal is brought to light, it seems a good idea. That's odd, isn't it?

I am sure there are uni directional mobile jammers now i believe the US military uses them in their penal system. Lets be honest this is a ridiculous problem to be having it really is and will further fuel the anger many have in relation to our prison system. It is simple really make walls that high you cannot just throw them over although personally surely guards walk the perimeter and therefore should be able to stop that.

Or failing all that make them all go through a scanner of some sort that will detect any phones not handed over and add time to any convict who has a friend\relative trying to smuggle one in. Also making that a criminal offence would be good and i bet if people thought they could join said friend\relative for a one to one chat in a cell if they try it many will decide against it. As for computers in prisons yeah ok i can see the need to train those that want too but they should not have unrestricted internet access and that is something that can be sorted quite easily..

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Didn't this story start a few days ago accusing Jack Straw of trying to prevent Facebook from allowing nasty messages being posted. If I remember rightly a lot of people were saying that he shouldn't do that, because it was government interference and "Nanny State". Now, of course, when the true nature of the proposal is brought to light, it seems a good idea. That's odd, isn't it?

You'd have to take that up with them.

Yes and it is a good idea but so's the idea of preventing the use of mobile phones etc. in our prisons - especially the high security ones. It'd have been even better, however, if these people hadn't been allowed to do it right under the noses of Jack Straw and the prison authorities in the first place wouldn't you say? Hence the reason for the OP and the subject and this thread dedicated to New Labour's tough talking and abject failure to deliver on so many of their promises.

[Jimmy-J]

I thought the punishment of a prison sentence was to take away the freedoms of the convicted? Phones, Computers, Games Consoles, TV's Etc etc. Some of them are living the life of Riley. No wonder they re-offend!

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

You'd have to take that up with them.

Yes and it is a good idea but so's the idea of preventing the use of mobile phones etc. in our prisons - especially the high security ones. It'd have been even better, however, if these people hadn't been allowed to do it right under the noses of Jack Straw and the prison authorities in the first place wouldn't you say? Hence the reason for the OP and the subject and this thread dedicated to New Labour's tough talking and abject failure to deliver on so many of their promises.

If these means of communication are successfully prevented, don't you think they will find other ways. Prisoners have been able to communicate with the outside world for centuries. How do you think they did it before the advent of mobile telephony?

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Originally Posted by Product 13

I thought the punishment of a prison sentence was to take away the freedoms of the convicted? Phones, Computers, Games Consoles, TV's Etc etc. Some of them are living the life of Riley. No wonder they re-offend!

Have you ever been inside a prison?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

If these means of communication are successfully prevented, don't you think they will find other ways. Prisoners have been able to communicate with the outside world for centuries. How do you think they did it before the advent of mobile telephony?

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Have you ever been inside a prison?

well yes i agree to an extent ,but we shouldn't be making things this easy for them

Innocent law abiding people should have all the convinience of modern living not those found guilty of crimes and sent to prison. This is a problem and has to be sorted out and the growth of the internet is not something that a ******* in prison should be able to use to further intimidate or harass their victims.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Have you ever been inside a prison?

Not yet, but I'm very close to a few people who have been, and some who still are.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

If these means of communication are successfully prevented, don't you think they will find other ways. Prisoners have been able to communicate with the outside world for centuries. How do you think they did it before the advent of mobile telephony?[COLOR="Silver"]

Yes they may well find alternatives but that's hardly an argument for allowing them to carry on doing what they currently are is it - especially when you've talked as tough as Jack Straw and the succession of ineffectual Home Secretaries have over the years...

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes they may well find alternatives but that's hardly an argument for allowing them to carry on doing what they currently are is it - especially when you've talked as tough as Jack Straw and the succession of ineffectual Home Secretaries have over the years...

Please point to where I said that it was alright for them to use mobile phones.

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Originally Posted by Product 13

Not yet, but I'm very close to a few people who have been, and some who still are.

Have you told them about their lives of Reilly?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Please point to where I said that it was alright for them to use mobile phones.

Please point out where I said that you'd said that. I couldn't care less what you think - what Jack Straw thinks, says and does/doesn't do is of far more concern to me.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Have you told them about their lives of Reilly?

are you serious
,one bloke i know and still know very well was known as a "listener" because he had been in before ,new the score and could show all the new prisoners how "the system works" he had a nice little setee in his cell served 2 years of a nine year sentance and spent the third on home leave at the weekends bangin his girlfriend

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Please point out where I said that you'd said that. I couldn't care less what you think - what Jack Straw thinks, says and does/doesn't do is of far more concern to me.

Perhaps when you wrote this?

Originally Posted by Osem
Yes they may well find alternatives but that's hardly an argument for allowing them to carry on doing what they currently are is it