Football Talk 2006/2007 Season

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Mal

If someone had posted a thread in a similar vein to your world cup thread, but about Scotland, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you have seen that as an attack? You might want to think about the content of your posts next time if you did not like the response.

Very immature.

It has been pointed out then and now, that we cannot do anything, the English people are not the media. Set up a petition, march on London, just do something about it!

I think Foreverwar is a Scot, so not all the responses are from the English

To be honest a post by a Scotsman on how he wishes England dont win the world cup should be seen as banter as opposed to an attack. Id say the reaction to view it as an 'attack' is the immature one.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

The Scotland game was on at 3, the England Game at 5 and the Wales game at 7: (15 or 45).

All of them could have been shown by the BBC IN those regions or back to back on BBC 1 nationally. Instead the England game gets shown nationally, in ALL regions and no other game does.

In the event it wasnt too bad because Sky picked them up, which is Ok for me as i have Sky and the sports channel needed to view it (a subsciption service) but what about the millions that dont and still pay their fees? I suppose we souldnt care about them...

The amount of people represented by those countries as i aready explained is irrelevant as we all pay our fees and this is the BRITISH broadcasting company, not the English broadcasting company and who's charter is :-

"To provide, as public services, sound and television broadcasting services (whether by analogue or digital means) and to provide sound and television programmes of information, education and entertainment for general reception in Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and the territorial waters thereof."

It says nothing about proportional representation.

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I resent that - i have been VERY careful in what i have said and have not once to my knowledge personally attacked or even said anything deflamatory about the English people.

That was not my intention and if i did come accross that way i appologise now.

A misunderstanding then...I apologise for any on my side

If the match was on Sky, wouldn't that mean that the BBC didn't have the rights to show it then? Sky had them?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Mal

If the match was on Sky, wouldn't that mean that the BBC didn't have the rights to show it then? Sky had them?

See thats what I dont understand. Shouldnt the beeb be outbidding sky for the televising rights for all national games?!! I'm still peeved off about wednesday's game, whats that all about?

[punky]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

In the event it wasnt too bad because Sky picked them up, which is Ok for me as i have Sky and the sports channel needed to view it (a subsciption service) but what about the millions that dont and still pay their fees? I suppose we souldnt care about them...

You're assuming that the BBC chose not to show it and Sky did just because they could. Maybe Sky outbid the BBC for the rights to it?

It says nothing about proportional representation.

Correct, which means you can't kick up when they don't show the amount of Scottish broadcasting that you'd like.

You have your own dedicated BBC channel, is that really not enough? If you didn't like football, would you really be moaning?

I resent that - i have been VERY careful in what i have said and have not once to my knowledge personally attacked or even said anything deflamatory about the English people.

That was not my intention and if i did come accross that way i appologise now.

Obviously not that careful, you seem to like calling us racist. Don't really need to apologise to me as I don't really care, but if I was broadcasting or other media, i'd be more than upset at your comments, to which an apology might not sort.

[TheDaddy]

The BBC don't even have the right's for Scotlands home games
http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...rt05/50-53.txt

[Russ]

Originally Posted by punky

Just because you think its "obvious bias" and media-racism, doesn't make it so.

The following contains generalisations - apologies but it help get my point across....

What you'll find is it's something that most non-English people see and most English don't.

For so long you have been accostomed to having the major media place your part of the UK first - that's why a lot of Saesneg will refer to England as Britain/UK and vice versa. It's second nature for most of you.

So when those who also share your island speak out about it as I occasionally do and TBR has done more vocally recently, you tend to see it as us complaining about something you'd consider as the norm, therefore you'd call us 'whingers'.

Imagine you are regularly told that during WW2 Wales stood alone against Hitler thereby stopping him reaching our shores. Imagine when you go abroad, the natives tell you how much they love Scotland and "your Scottish accent".

OK it's not the worst thing to happen to someone but when it shows no end in sight, we feel it's only right to speak out.

The sports media IS biased towards England. Granted the Saesneg tend to do better than the rest of us at sport but that does not justify giving them 4 pages of coverage whilst Wales attracts a quarter page article. If you feel this is correct then perhaps you'd agree that us Celts should get a reduction or rebate from our TV licence fee.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The BBC don't even have the right's for Scotlands home games
http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...rt05/50-53.txt

That refers to the loss of the SPL matches to Setanta not the Scotland matches.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

That refers to the loss of the SPL matches to Setanta not the Scotland matches.

'Television rights were secured for the CIS Cup, Scotlandââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s away World Cup fixtures', no mention of home matches there

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

'Television rights were secured for the CIS Cup, Scotland’s away World Cup fixtures', no mention of home matches there

Actually thats specific to the World Cup.

It mentions after that "some UEFA cup games", which is clear as mud and would indicate they have lost some rights to another channel (Sky i would presume).

The UEFA cup is the champions league i believe now.

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Originally Posted by punky

Correct, which means you can't kick up when they don't show the amount of Scottish broadcasting that you'd like.

You have your own dedicated BBC channel, is that really not enough? If you didn't like football, would you really be moaning?

Irrelevant point again.

Just so we all get this straight punky, and im asking you specifically, you think its Ok for the England match to be shown nationally, throught the UK, yet the Scotland and Wales matches are Ok to be sidelined to a Subscription service even though the BBC could have shown them as well as the England match. Even thought that would mean that people who do not have Sky could not have seen a national team play.

It could be argued that the BBC have used all our money to buy rights to show Englands matches on the BBC above all other home nations too, but im investigating that now and i dont have all the info yet.

Originally Posted by punky

Obviously not that careful, you seem to like calling us racist. Don't really need to apologise to me as I don't really care, but if I was broadcasting or other media, i'd be more than upset at your comments, to which an apology might not sort.

Please show me where i have called you or the English racist? I'll wait...

Although i expect a full apolology if you cant find it.

[orangebird]

Isn't TV all about ratings? I assumed that's why BBC showed the England game - purely because more people will tune into that than the Scotland or Wales game.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Isn't TV all about ratings? I assumed that's why BBC showed the England game - purely because more people will tune into that than the Scotland or Wales game.

If it were anyone other than the BBC I'd agree with you, however if they could have shown the Scotland game in Scotland then they probably should off imo.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Isn't TV all about ratings?

Not really, that's why we have regional variations for certain events. During the repeat run of the first series of The Office when it was moved to BBC1 back in 2001, BBC Wales (in their infinate wisdom) gave use "Slate Mining in the Rhondda Valleys - 1912 to 1920".

You can imagine how much I was jumping up and down bladder-bursting-with-excitement at hearing about that change.

[TheBlueRaja]

Gold Mine!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...24/sport.shtml

Snippet:-

The BBC has added to its exclusive live coverage of all of England's home Euro 2008 games by acquiring the highlights rights to all of England's away qualifiers in the competition.

Bringing its England coverage even further to life, the BBC now has highlights rights to the following away games:

Macedonia on Wednesday 6 September 2006
Croatia on Wednesday 11 October 2006
Israel on Saturday 24 March 2007
Andorra on Wednesday 28 March 2007
Estonia on Wednesday 6 June 2007
Russia on Wednesday 17 October 2007

Absolutely no mention of any other Home nation... OUR money so people can watch England while the rest of the Home nations have to pay to watch our teams.

Additionally from the Telegraph!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...03/sfntv03.xml

A possible scenario is that one broadcaster, for example the BBC in Britain, might show all of England's and Scotland's matches but the rest of the competition could be on a pay-TV channel like Sky Sports.

Only one broadcaster will win the rights, rather than take their games from the EBU. UEFA said viewers would always watch their own country on free-to-air TV.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Not really, that's why we have regional variations for certain events.

Events such as? I wouldn't consider news, weather and the odd dreadful soap 'events'...

[pedantic]

How hard is this to understand !

If sky has the rights to certain live games, there is nothing anyone can do, apart from either paying a subscription or nipping down to the local to watch it. It isn't just Scotland and Wales, England are also on Sky on wednesday night. I cannot watch the game, as I don't have a subscription to Sky, or cable.

I just accept this is the way things are done, why can't the moaning buggers accept this too.

I will just catch the highlights at some point, and in the meantime rely on radio for a live broadcast. It's better than nothing.

You can moan as much as you like, but if Sky has the rights, there's bugger all you can do.