Post-Brexit Thread

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Osem

You sure it's not down to Brexit?

Most cetainly not! I was uneducated before we even went in!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm uneducated, it's not my fault. I blame the government!

Well done. Seems on this forum most would blame immigrants or the EU.

Convenient scapegoats for our own failings, and I look forward to seeing who our politicians blame for our problems when we leave the EU, as we're almost certain to.

India have told us to get lost as far as a trade deal goes without liberalising immigration policies.

Our economy is doing well despite the allegedly massive drag of being in the EU and the Single Market.

Anyone would think that perhaps the best idea is to not mess with things and carry on as we are, as it's clearly a formula that's working.

Note: For those 'expert' types, there are massive structural issues in the UK economy. These are nothing to do with the EU and our leaving the EU's only impact on them is negative, in that it throws a whole bunch of other problems into the mix to try and solve.

A 'hard' Brexit will hurt. A lot. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate it will do anything other than hurt our economy. While evidence is not something that people seem to pay attention to it's worth mentioning. The OBR forecasts, and it's worth mentioning this is an institution born solely to be politically independent, are if anything optimistic if the UK does leave both Single Market and the customs union. These not the same thing despite the nonsense that the leave side are peddling.

Few things quite put the nonsense into context quite like that 'Leave means leave' are advertising what the UK might do with the 10 billion a year 'EU windfall' while the OBR as forecasting that Brexit will leave a multi-billion pound a year hole in the UK's finances.

Still if people want to carry on deluding themselves Leave.eu are only happy to carry on lying to them. After all, they have been doing it successfully for months, why change a winning formula?

Quite a few of us have stated here that brexit will not be a fix for all and that there will be a period of hardship as we re-establish things as they were before the EU and also a few punitive measures from the EU. I can't argue with some people blaming everything on immigrants and whilst not completely true it's also not completely untrue in some areas and in regard to some migrant communities. Right now the debate seems to be being handled by extremes from both sides who don't represent the majority.

[ianch99]

Talking of the OBR forecast, here's a good sound bite for a Political Campaign

Brexit will cost £58.7bn. Let's spend it on the NHS instead

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Talking of the OBR forecast, here's a good sound bite for a Political Campaign

Brexit will cost £58.7bn. Let's spend it on the NHS instead

I need time to pay.

Will £350million a week do?

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm uneducated, it's not my fault. I blame the government!

I never progressed higher than A Level.

However, I've never stopped being educated - it's my responsibility to learn more, not anyone else's to teach me.

I take personal responsibility for my learning and education- I refuse to devolve that to others.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I never progressed higher than A Level.

However, I've never stopped being educated - it's my responsibility to learn more, not anyone else's to teach me.

I take personal responsibility for my learning and education- I refuse to devolve that to others.

Dropped out before I'd finished a year of university, however am funding an MSc.

Not cheap but if you want the knowledge, skills and opportunities that it provides you have to be prepared to pay for them, and have to show you have the ability and aptitude to pursue the course.

Like many other things, something you have to do for yourself as no-one else will.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I never progressed higher than A Level.

However, I've never stopped being educated - it's my responsibility to learn more, not anyone else's to teach me.

I take personal responsibility for my learning and education- I refuse to devolve that to others.

It was a tongue in cheek comment in reply to Igni due to my typo's. Also a bit of a dig at Mr K.

As Kenny Everett would have said "All in the best possible taste!"

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Dropped out before I'd finished a year of university, however am funding an MSc.

Not cheap but if you want the knowledge, skills and opportunities that it provides you have to be prepared to pay for them, and have to show you have the ability and aptitude to pursue the course.

Like many other things, something you have to do for yourself as no-one else will.

Agree - self-funded my M.Sc, but dropped out after a year, as I found no practical application for what was being taught, but thing are better now 20 years on.

Education never stops for most people as I've grown older I've learned new skills some trivial some more involved but a constant drip drip of skills as my life changes. Academically few of them would qualify as skills but academic achievement is not the be all and end all and not all education is necessarily academic in nature, that's why i don't like people being judged based on perceived standards and prefer judging people on what they do and how they think. A good idea doesn't cease to be a good idea if the person who has it misspells words describing that idea or cannot give the mathmatical formulations that make it good.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Agree - self-funded my M.Sc, but dropped out after a year, as I found no practical application for what was being taught, but thing are better now 20 years on.

Mine is an outstanding one, internationally renowned, with the price tag to match.

As no-one else is going to fund such things falls to me.

[pip08456]

I dropped out of a tech degree with the OU back in the 80's but then again, I'm uneducated so it's no surprise.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Education never stops for most people as I've grown older I've learned new skills some trivial some more involved but a constant drip drip of skills as my life changes. Academically few of them would qualify as skills but academic achievement is not the be all and end all and not all education is necessarily academic in nature, that's why i don't like people being judged based on perceived standards and prefer judging people on what they do and how they think. A good idea doesn't cease to be a good idea if the person who has it misspells words describing that idea or cannot give the mathmatical formulations that make it good.

Agreed - but using 'educated' as an insult leads to the dumbing down of society, and denigrates those who spend time learning and feeding back value (such as teachers, doctors, engineers, etc.) being devalued.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I dropped out of a tech degree with the OU back in the 80's but then again, I'm uneducated so it's no surprise.

Who, besides yourself, has called you uneducated?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Agreed - but using 'educated' as an insult leads to the dumbing down of society, and denigrates those who spend time learning and feeding back value (such as teachers, doctors, engineers, etc.) being devalued.

But I must be uneducated, Mr K says so as I voted Brexit.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Agreed - but using 'educated' as an insult leads to the dumbing down of society, and denigrates those who spend time learning and feeding back value (such as teachers, doctors, engineers, etc.) being devalued.

Regrettably that's where we are. Being educated is considered something of a negative characteristic. Personal experience is where it's at now, even when that experience has no bearing on basically anything.

Perhaps this was the inevitable progression of how our careers progressed, based around technical and procedural experience. It somehow morphed into the experience of simply being alive, whether exposed to anything that actually broadened knowledge base or not, being superior to an education.