Post-Brexit Thread - Page 183

mrmistoffelees · 25-11-2016, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Mick

Oh, here it comes, the boring legally binding chestnut, tired of hearing of it actually.

Yes, it was advisory, but the government is insisting we're leaving, as we know they want to set the motion to leave by end of March next year, but some pathetic remoaners who cannot accept democracy, want to argue all they can about the decision to try and knock it off course and drag it through litigation.

So, not final then at all.

Due legal process is pathetic? Surely, you want it to be done properly rather than taking a slapdash approach? A democratic decision does not always equate to a legal mandate.

I'm a 'remoaner' as you like to call them, does that make me pathetic?

**Mick** · 25-11-2016, 15:20

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I'm a 'remoaner' as you like to call them, does that make me pathetic?

Yes, if it would be your intention to drag the decision out via litigation. READ the sentence again in it's whole context and don't misquote me again.

mrmistoffelees · 25-11-2016, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Osem

Even if there is a second and the outcome is the same we know that the usual suspects will still claim it's not valid. There'll be more excuses, more whining, more claims of foul play until they get their way at which point you can bet there'll be no way back and suddenly referenda will be a very bad idea. That's how interested these people are in democracy. They only appreciate it when it yields what they want.

I'm not so sure on this.

My main issue with the vote to exit is we have no idea what sort of deal we can/will negotiate with the EU

I personally would have had it the following

1st referendum to see if the interest of leaving the EU was there.
2nd referendum based on the terms of exit negotiated

2nd Referendum to be binding.

I personally think, voting to leave without having any idea of the terms that would be imposed on us or that we can negotiate is quite simply utter lunacy

That said, I can appreciate if not fully understand why some people are so desperate to leave.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, if it would be your intention to drag the decision out via litigation. READ the sentence again in it's whole context and don't misquote me again.

I haven't misquoted you at all. Since this is not bolded I'll assume it's up for debate.

I'll rephrase the question.

I back, no in fact I welcome the fact that the governments attempts to push through and invoke Article 50 have been challenged in the courts and that so far the courts have decided the government are wrong. Does this make me pathetic ?

**Mick** · 25-11-2016, 15:32

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I haven't misquoted you at all. Since this is not bolded I'll assume it's up for debate.

I'll rephrase the question.

I back, no in fact I welcome the fact that the governments attempts to push through and invoke Article 50 have been challenged in the courts and that so far the courts have decided the government are wrong. Does this make me pathetic ?

I said in my earlier post, 'some' key word right there, 'some', pathetic remoaners want to drag this out through litigation, you have not done this, although are in full support of it. In that case, what the hell are you after ? A Label/sticker ? If so then yeah, feel free to be pathetic. That satisfy you ?

ianch99 · 25-11-2016, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Mick

On this forum, it's Bliar !

Only if you are a child ..

mrmistoffelees · 25-11-2016, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Mick

I said in my earlier post, 'some' key word right there, 'some', pathetic remoaners want to drag this out through litigation, you have not done this, although are in full support of it. In that case, what the hell are you after ? A Label/sticker ? If so then yeah, feel free to be pathetic. That satisfy you ?

No, I'm trying to distinguish on what makes you think a remoaner is pathetic.

The sentence above clarifies that it's the people who've taken the action rather than the people who support it are pathetic. It was that that i didn't get first time. So, thanks for the clarification.

Not so sure why you need to use

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As an additional, I wonder why the government refuses to disclose what if any 'sweetners' were offered to Nissan to convince them to remain if/when the exit happens.

**Mick** · 25-11-2016, 15:41

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Only if you are a child ..

Rubbish !!! Tell that to my friend, who lost his child, in the Iraq War that should not have been !!!

mrmistoffelees · 25-11-2016, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish !!! Tell that to my friend, who lost his child, in the Iraq War that should not have been !!!

Bloody hell we agree on something.....

ianch99 · 25-11-2016, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Mick

Rubbish !!! Tell that to my friend, who lost his child, in the Iraq War that should not have been !!!

You are missing the point: the name calling is childish. The fact that he lied is a seperate discussion.

mrmistoffelees · 25-11-2016, 15:53

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You are missing the point: the name calling is childish. The fact that he lied is a seperate discussion.

To be fair the name calling is significant as it's based on his alleged lies. There is a justification whilst at the same time it can be construed as juvenile. People will use it to demonstrate the loathing they feel towards the man that led us to what a lot of people deem an illegal war.

ianch99 · 25-11-2016, 17:14

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

To be fair the name calling is significant as it's based on his alleged lies. There is a justification whilst at the same time it can be construed as juvenile. People will use it to demonstrate the loathing they feel towards the man that led us to what a lot of people deem an illegal war.

Where does this end? Once you start down this road then it just ends up in endless playground name calling: Bliar, Crooked Hillary, etc.

If you think Blair lied, then just say Blair lied ...

**Mick** · 25-11-2016, 17:15

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You are missing the point: the name calling is childish.

Not missing any point thanks and that is your opinion, one I don't even remotely agree with. Changing his surname via one letter is not name calling, it is a categorization of reference to his stance, that led to what is considered, an illegal war !

If you don't like it, guess what ?

Tough.

TheDaddy · 25-11-2016, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Mick

If you don't like it, guess what ?

Tough.

Presumably going by that you're okay with being called Michael now to then

ianch99 · 25-11-2016, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Mick

Not missing any point thanks and that is your opinion, one I don't even remotely agree with. Changing his surname via one letter is not name calling, it is a categorization of reference to his stance, that led to what is considered, an illegal war !

If you don't like it, guess what ?

Tough.

I am not asking you to agree with anything. People can make their own minds up on the name calling ...

**Mick** · 25-11-2016, 17:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Presumably going by that you're okay with being called Michael now to then

Not sure what the 'going by' means, Michael is my full name of course but I am known as Mick on here, not many people call me by my full name any more and I don't want to be known by it on here.

Of course, if people want to ignore this, fine by by me, but equally, I have the same right to ignore someone entirely, who doesn't refer to me by the name I known by on here. Works both ways.

Bliar is deserving of his change of name for far more reaching and justifiable reasons.