[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Just be sure this is the site: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

That's the one, I'm trying from VM, he's on Orange (mobile) I think.

Originally Posted by Taf

That's the one, I'm trying from VM, he's on Orange (mobile) I think.

And it's still down for you? Something is really wrong here. I can't think of what would apply to both of you if it isn't the ISP.

Originally Posted by Taf

That's the one, I'm trying from VM, he's on Orange (mobile) I think.

Working fine over wifi in Leicester.

[papa smurf]

David Cameron accused of bias over EU referendum deadline extension


The pro-Brexit Tory Bernard Jenkin, chair of the Commons public administration and constitutional affairs committee, questioned why the government was failing to put in the same effort to find misregistered EU citizens who had been issued polling cards.

“The government is having to rewrite the rules to clear up a shambles of their own making. Why are they are not acting with the same vigour over weeding out misregistered EU nationals who have been sent polling cards and even postal ballots, but who are not eligible?” Jenkin said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...line-extension

Wrongly registered EU citizens are hardly likely to vote leave so no rush in sorting that out but a lot of remain votes were so important they left it to the last minute to register to vote. Did anyone really believe there weren't going to be some shenanigans involved in all this I'd have been struck dumb if there wasn't. I would like to know what if anything has been done about the threat by some mp's to ignore the referendum if it goes leave's way some names would be good so people know who to kick out at the next general election.

[denphone]

Not good news for the Brexit camp this morning over NHS claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Her point is demonstrably nonsense anyway. Being in the EU means uncontrolled immigration from (overwhelmingly white) Europe, which then mandates strict controls on immigration from the rest of the world (much of which is not white) if we're to maintain any influence on total net migration.

If would-be immigrants from Europe had to compete on a level playing field with those from the rest of the world, we would have an immigration policy based explicitly on skills and not on nationality. If either approach can be called in any way racist, then it's the EU approach.

I wondered why Farage didn't say that to the old bag the other night

Ukip founder brings nazis into the debate again

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...af?edition=ukt.

Crawl back under your rock Mr skid, it's boring

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

It wouldn't surprise me. Getting more youngsters to vote will obviously help remain more than leave.

I'd have like everyone under 40 to have been registered to vote automatically as a one of, they're the ones that are going to bare the brunt of our decision and their voice should be heard, I have no issues with any delays needed to give them that voice.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

Not good news for the Brexit camp this morning over NHS claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36485464

At last an MP with some scruples, willing to call to a lie a lie and not tell them. Brexit meaning more money for the NHS is the biggest porky pie of the referendum. When the economy dives there'll be less money for everything. Anything going will be targeted to Boris' rich chums who of course go nowhere near the NHS.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

At last an MP with some scruples, willing to call to a lie a lie and not tell them. Brexit meaning more money for the NHS is the biggest porky pie of the referendum. When the economy dives there'll be less money for everything. Anything going will be targeted to Boris' rich chums who of course go nowhere near the NHS.

The problem is the figure. The NHS 'could' have more money but anyone with half a brain knows it's not £350 m. I don't think they have done themselves any favours with this figure.

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

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I'd have like everyone under 40 to have been registered to vote automatically as a one of, they're the ones that are going to bare the brunt of our decision and their voice should be heard, I have no issues with any delays needed to give them that voice.

this is (so far) the stupidest post I've seen in a long time.


Why?

wasn't the many months long lead up to it long enough?

Aren't these people already registered to vote... you know, for stuff like local elections, General ones etc.

Is it really that hard not to expect the 'under 40's' - bless them to manage to do that all by themselves without the helping hand of 'we'll do it for you automatically'

If people care enough about their future or politics, they need to get up off their ass and onto their hind legs and do something about it - all by themselves...

We don't (quite yet) live in an amazing automagical word for Gen Snowflake.
Nor should we, people need to engage because they care, if they don't then too bad for the little darlings - they have a voice,they just need to use it.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by techguyone

this is (so far) the stupidest post I've seen in a long time.


Why?

wasn't the many months long lead up to it long enough?

Aren't these people already registered to vote... you know, for stuff like local elections, General ones etc.

Is it really that hard not to expect the 'under 40's' - bless them to manage to do that all by themselves without the helping hand of 'we'll do it for you automatically'

If people care enough about their future or politics, they need to get up off their ass and onto their hind legs and do something about it - all by themselves...

We don't (quite yet) live in an amazing automagical word for Gen Snowflake.
Nor should we, people need to engage because they care, if they don't then too bad for the little darlings - they have a voice,they just need to use it.

Well said!

Originally Posted by techguyone

this is (so far) the stupidest post I've seen in a long time.


Why?

wasn't the many months long lead up to it long enough?

Aren't these people already registered to vote... you know, for stuff like local elections, General ones etc.

Is it really that hard not to expect the 'under 40's' - bless them to manage to do that all by themselves without the helping hand of 'we'll do it for you automatically'

If people care enough about their future or politics, they need to get up off their ass and onto their hind legs and do something about it - all by themselves...

We don't (quite yet) live in an amazing automagical word for Gen Snowflake.
Nor should we, people need to engage because they care, if they don't then too bad for the little darlings - they have a voice,they just need to use it.

This would work better had a whole load of them not be kicked off the register due to the change in how registering works.

Voting is not a right that should be earned. It's a fundamental right in a democracy and the barriers to access should be as low as possible. I agree with TheDaddy that registration should be automatic, although not just for under-40s but everyone. I am not entirely sure why that isn't the case but it might be because people move around in a way the government can't check? Not sure.

Besides a deadline is the deadline but if you set it at for 11:59pm then that is when it should end. Not 10pm. Yes it's irresponsible to leave it so late but that laziness should not be punished by disenfranchisement and the fundamental fact here is that they were not late, they attempted to register ahead of the deadline.

The only sympathy I have with Leave's argument on this is that two days is a bit much for 2 hours of missed registration.

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Anyway I don't think this will change that much. The majority of registrations will be re-registrations from people already on the electoral roll making sure they are.

[techguyone]

My comments are not pro or con leave, the ability to vote and register are well established, if people choose to leave til the 11th hour to do this and something awful happens, too bad.

Let's be clear here, It's not like the whole populace has had 2 days only to register - and it's hardly like the Referendum process has been done in secret.

Barriers to access? hardly. I mean COME ON why are you bending over backwards to make excuses for people. There has not been an unreasonable time to register, and the whole process to register changed last year was it? Man what's wrong with people today, if we make things much easier for everyone , we might as well breathe in and out for them, so they don't need to.

Originally Posted by techguyone

My comments are not pro or con leave, the ability to vote and register are well established, if people choose to leave til the 11th hour to do this and something awful happens, too bad.

Well no, not 'too bad'. They arrived before the end of the deadline and were not able to register to vote. I was already registered and would have registered had I not been (in fact, I have already voted!) but there shouldn't be a punishment for leaving it a bit close as long as you're ahead of the deadline.

Let's be clear here, It's not like the whole populace has had 2 days only to register - and it's hardly like the Referendum process has been done in secret.

No but not everyone is political aware or really knows what is happening. We might find that to understand but that's the reality of it and voting is a universal entitlement irrespective of a citizen's knowledge of the political process. The first debate on terrestrial television was on that evening and at the end the host on ITV told people they had two hours to register. That may well have caused the spike.

Barriers to access? hardly. I mean COME ON why are you bending over backwards to make excuses for people. There has not been an unreasonable time to register, and the whole process to register changed last year was it? Man what's wrong with people today, if we make things much easier for everyone , we might as well breathe in and out for them, so they don't need to.

No but these people arrived ahead of the deadline and were unable to register. The rule was that if you registered before 11:59pm on Tuesday you would be entitled to vote. They met their requirement but the government broke the deal. So extending it isn't out of line.

I agree it's bad planning but they shouldn't lose their right to vote over it if they arrived in time.

This is like when people were turned away at the polls for arriving before 10pm because the queues meant they wouldn't actually be in the booth by 10pm. They arrived in time to vote, let them vote.

[techguyone]

I'm not arguing against the extension per se but the presumption that we should all be automatically registered for something because we're too stupid/lazy/clueless to do it for ourselves. Part of being a grown up means doing grown up stuff, otherwise we'll all end up a nation of Adult Babies. Probably the reason why you can't vote until you're 18.