All F1 2004 Discussions

all right then tell me what real opposition schumacher as had then in all his championship years.and please don't say damon hill (the man who daren't overtake or please keep ralph behind me eddie or i won't win the race).
i mean real opposition like senna,prost,mansell,piquet,fittipaldi,andretti,ste wart,clark.
oh and i nearly forgot if schumacher is the greatest racing driver on earth why does he have to cheat to win, ie hitting damon hill in the side pod to stop him winning the world championship,trying to do the same thing to jaques villneuve another time.

[Asghar]

Just accept the fact
Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of his generation, maybe of all time. He has proved it time and time again. Just look at what he achieved in 97,98,99 almost winning the championship in an inferior Ferrari, which he finally won in 2000. Plus countless races where he drove the cars to the absolute limit.

If you don't like him personally then you don't like him. But it's less painful if you just accept the fact that he is maybe the greatest F1 driver of all time.
You only end up sounding like idiots trying to criticise him or find excuses.

[sherer]

just look back to the last 2 races.. the best driver at the moment in the best car thought it was better to pass via the pit stops than do it on the track.. Surely that is what is wrong with F1 at the moment..

For Shuey's contract i remember back at Benetton when Herbert came there he wasn't allowed to see ANY data from Shuey's car after the first test when they saw how quick he was. Shuey was allowed the data from Herbert's car. That isn't very far.

On the conmputers now they put up signs showing car no x is under investigation. Sometimes this leads to penalties and sometimes after reviewing the evidence nothing happens.

At the US GP last year Shuey looked to have passed Button when a yellow flag was out at turn one. Maybe the zone didn't start until a few yards further on from the mopve but it was very close. The stewards never even chose to look at this again.

At the US GP this year after the restart Shuey was right along side Barrichello. Now the rules state there is no racing until the cards have passed the start \ finish line. Shuey went past alongside Barrichello and the timing screen showed the gap as 0.000 initially it showed Shumacher ahead and then it "adjusted itself" . Now even if Shuey wasn't ahead he was still racing as he was 0.000 behind Barrichello. if that isn't racing what is!! Why wasn't that investigated by the stewards if only to say we've looked at it and he was behind.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by Asghar

Just accept the fact
Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of his generation, maybe of all time.

what about Varzi, Ascari ( both Antonio and Alberto), Caraciolla,Mosmeyer and Stuck

let's face it half of these names are unknown to people here but you can't discount what they achieved.

For my money and the best of all was Nurvolari

wasn't there a race in the last few years where the great m schumacher went off into the gravel trap and was pushed back onto the track by the marshalls and a spectator.and didn't the said schumacher go on to win the race.
i thought being pushed back onto the track automatically disqualified you.
but not if your names m schumacher,a rule was found which states that you can be pushed if you are in a dangerous position.
once again schumacher is favoured by the stewards,i bet if any other driver did this he would have been disqualified.

[TigaSefi]

The quicker Schumacher is out of the equation, the better. I know for a fact 99% of the time he'll win = F1 Tedium.

Originally Posted by Asghar

Just accept the fact
Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of his generation, maybe of all time. He has proved it time and time again. Just look at what he achieved in 97,98,99 almost winning the championship in an inferior Ferrari, which he finally won in 2000. Plus countless races where he drove the cars to the absolute limit.

If you don't like him personally then you don't like him. But it's less painful if you just accept the fact that he is maybe the greatest F1 driver of all time.
You only end up sounding like idiots trying to criticise him or find excuses.

can i stop laughing now

[keithwalton]

Button - No he seems to trail off towards the end of a race, montoya possibly but not as dominent he runs off the road abit to much and tangles up with other cars.
Coulthard - No he aint fast enough he's a once maybe twice a year kinda guy.
Raikonnen possibly if he was abit more of an all rounder circuit wise.
All of them really need to be able to put up the quick laps when needid.
These cars do super quick qualyfying times yet are nowhere near the pace in the race even though they start with a nearly 3 laps less fuel.

With Regards to us gp, its no passing till crossing the line after the safety car has pulled in, not racing.

the best race i ever saw schumacher in was the british grand prix at silverstone in 1999.i often play it on the video best laugh i've ever had.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Asghar

Just accept the fact
Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of his generation, maybe of all time. He has proved it time and time again. Just look at what he achieved in 97,98,99 almost winning the championship in an inferior Ferrari, which he finally won in 2000. Plus countless races where he drove the cars to the absolute limit.

If you don't like him personally then you don't like him. But it's less painful if you just accept the fact that he is maybe the greatest F1 driver of all time.
You only end up sounding like idiots trying to criticise him or find excuses.

Hrumph, if you could put Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Fittipaldi, Andretti, Stewart, Clark (to borrow from another post in this thread) and a few of his peers he is currently competing against in a race with Schumacher, all driving the same car, well I guess he would still win, but only because he would use his car as a battering ram and be the only car on the track come the finishing line.

He is a very good driver, there is no taking that away from him, what I feel is his downfall is that there seems to be a lack of sportsmanship, that makes watching him and F1 a complete turn-off to me at the moment.

seriously though i think we should revert back to pre senna's death days.
slick tyres, no plank,the full hour for everybody qualifying, and possibly no refueling.

well put smharman i agree.its like watching a robot watching schumacher

[ian@huth]

I would like to see two races of a shorter distance at every Grand Prix with the grid for the second race being in reverse order to cars finishing position in Race one. Cars to be fueled for the race with no refuelling allowed.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by andy 1

wasn't there a race in the last few years where the great m schumacher went off into the gravel trap and was pushed back onto the track by the marshalls and a spectator.and didn't the said schumacher go on to win the race.
i thought being pushed back onto the track automatically disqualified you.
but not if your names m schumacher,a rule was found which states that you can be pushed if you are in a dangerous position.
once again schumacher is favoured by the stewards,i bet if any other driver did this he would have been disqualified.

it was the European GP and... the Nurburgring.. again the incident wasn't even investigated it was just decided straight off that he was in a dangerous position so he was allowed to be pushed back on track

Originally Posted by andy 1

i thought being pushed back onto the track automatically disqualified you. but not if your names m schumacher,a rule was found which states that you can be pushed if you are in a dangerous position.

Yes, exactly a rule was *found*, ie it already *existed* it wasn't made up just to help Schumacher. IIRC the rules state that it's illegal to get a "push start", ie if the engine has stopped, but his was still running.

once again schumacher is favoured by the stewards,i bet if any other driver did this he would have been disqualified.

Please, these sour grapes are getting very tiresome.

Ok, you don't like Schumacher, we get the point, but please stop trying to make up conspiracy theories that his success has been due to "favoritism" or "bias" or "cheating" or any other such nonsense, because unless you can back them up with something credible, you're not going to convince anyone.