General : £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"

[Martin_D]

Just called in and got £36 back am not paying for BT Sports

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

But VM is not a TV manufacturer. The reason that TV manufacturers can do it is that they make money from selling TVs whereas VM makes it from selling services. That's a bit like asking PVR manufacturers to just charge £50 because Sky is able to do this. Different business models. And as an aside, TV manufacturers apart from the Koreans aren't making money these days. Companies like Sharp, Toshiba, Philips, Hitachi and JVC have all licensed their brands to other companies whilst Sony and Panasonic have scaled back their loss-making TV arms.
I rule out Now TV coming to VM as it's too much of a substitute for VM's own TV service. I don't rule out Amazon Prime. Nor do I rule out apps like Curzon Home Cinema and TED Talks which are available elsewhere and complement not cannibalise VM's existing content offerings.

Yes, but Virgin would be able to make money through wholesale deals with the streaming providers in the same way as it did with the BT sports deal.

Frankly, if people are going to favour the likes of Netflix over their cable pay channels, they will do it anyway, regardless as to whether it is on Tivo. Whereas if everything is on the Tivo and they upgrade the box so that it works more quickly, more people will be persuaded to stick with VM.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, but Virgin would be able to make money through wholesale deals with the streaming providers in the same way as it did with the BT sports deal.

Frankly, if people are going to favour the likes of Netflix over their cable pay channels, they will do it anyway, regardless as to whether it is on Tivo. Whereas if everything is on the Tivo and they upgrade the box so that it works more quickly, more people will be persuaded to stick with VM.

They might be able to make a little but nothing in the region of what they could make from traditional pay TV services. Hence why TV manufacturers use them as a loss-leader to differentiate their TVs from others.
Where I think the market gap exists is in a box with all the streaming services, but this would be something you would pay for as oppose to coming from a cable or satellite provider. And could you still get the likes of iTunes on it?

[Perfect Choice]

Been looking at options to change as don't want to pay the extra £3 and XL looking too expensive now anyway.

Just called and had a few options given to me, but one thing which has caught me out is that if I change from XL to L TV I was told it means I am now in a 12 month contract for ALL services including BB/phone. I was anticipating I would be agreeing to a new 12 month contract TV only not all services (all my services inc. BB/phone are outside contract by the way).

I was offered a bundle discount in moving down from XL and L TV and keeping my BB/phone, which may heave meant everything has to be for another 12 months, but was wondering that if you just normally change one item in your package (e.g. XL to L TV with no discount) does it normally "lock you in" for all other items in your package?

Any views?

My situation is different in that I am employee by BT and employees have the option to have BT Infinity at no annual cost with only an upfront fee to pay. So one option I am thinking of is to keep L TV only and cancel the rest as we like the 3 tuner flexibility of Tivo if you want to record 2 channels and want to watch another all at the same time.

Just to complicate it further I have an annual phone line saver running until December so was thinking of not cancelling the BB/phone until around November and just leaving L TV. But now been told any chance locks me in for 12 months on my whole package, so a case of doing something now or wait until November. My hope was to change TV now to L and then decide on BB/Phone in November but it seems if I do anything at all, I cannot cancel anything in the whole package which is XL TV, 50MB BB and M phone. Does this all sound correct?

[tassiekev]

FAQ: AMC UK

http://www.a516digital.com/2015/08/faq-amc-uk.html

and:

Ofcom intervenes over BT Sport "unfair contract terms"

http://www.a516digital.com/2015/08/o...rt-unfair.html

posted this elsewhere by mistake

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by tassiekev

FAQ: AMC UK

http://www.a516digital.com/2015/08/faq-amc-uk.html

and:

Ofcom intervenes over BT Sport "unfair contract terms"

http://www.a516digital.com/2015/08/o...rt-unfair.html

posted this elsewhere by mistake

so VM got no chance of getting AMC BT complain about sky and they do exactly same what hyocrites

[denphone]

Yes indeed they are as bad as each other that's for sure.

[pip08456]

I'll stick with Kodi.

[theone2k10]

Originally Posted by denphone

Yes indeed they are as bad as each other that's for sure.

BT are horrenedous i regret joining them it is upfront cost after upfront cost with them, you pay £42 just to get up and running then they want more upfront fees for their tv etc, trust me the grass is not greener on the otherside i'm considering my options as in 14 day cooling off period.
And i was calling vm money grabbers i take it all back.

[denphone]

We had BT once many moons ago and they were dreadful and we vowed then that we would never go back to them again.

[vincerooney]

Originally Posted by Dave42

so VM got no chance of getting AMC BT complain about sky and they do exactly same what hyocrites

*******s arent they. but then again anyone in the sports rights business does the same. i can only ever think of vm who never witheld channels but they never owned anything direct did they? they had only a share of bravo/living and that?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

*******s arent they. but then again anyone in the sports rights business does the same. i can only ever think of vm who never witheld channels but they never owned anything direct did they? they had only a share of bravo/living and that?

they owed a few like bravo living etc before selling them to sky and that only reason VM got the sky HD channels

[tassiekev]

Originally Posted by theone2k10

BT are horrenedous i regret joining them it is upfront cost after upfront cost with them, you pay £42 just to get up and running then they want more upfront fees for their tv etc, trust me the grass is not greener on the otherside i'm considering my options as in 14 day cooling off period.
And i was calling vm money grabbers i take it all back.

I think that's a bit unfair, it was made very clear to me on signing up for BT that I'd pay £35 initial fee plus £6.95 for the hub delivery - I've got my first invoice and there are no other fees.

I didn't mind the upfront cost as I'll be saving close to £30pm by not paying for so-called entertainment & documentary channels that I never watch. Admittedly the BB isn't as good but again, I knew that before signing up and it's more than adequate for me.

[theone2k10]

Originally Posted by tassiekev

I think that's a bit unfair, it was made very clear to me on signing up for BT that I'd pay £35 initial fee plus £6.95 for the hub delivery - I've got my first invoice and there are no other fees.

I didn't mind the upfront cost as I'll be saving close to £30pm by not paying for so-called entertainment & documentary channels that I never watch. Admittedly the BB isn't as good but again, I knew that before signing up and it's more than adequate for me.

TBF i should of been more clearer in my post the £35 infinity activation fee i'm fine with also i'm fine with the £6.95 router delivery charge. When i ordered bt broadband for some reason it wasn't allowing tv so after speaking to a advisor it was agreed to wait until everything is up and running then try the tv again so i don't risk losing my £150 quidco, so today i tried to order tv it wanted £50 deposit plus £49 activation fee despite clearly saying "no activation fee" so i rang up and spoke to someone in their Scottish call centre they went through the order confirmed it was entertainment plus i wanted and on their system to it requested £50 deposit plus £49 activation fee. For me that was one charge too far so i enquired about just adding bt sport pack was told "yes i can do that it's not asking for any deposit or fees but i will lose my current offer" i told them "no thanks i'll look into my options elsewhere if need be i'll fulfill my 12 month contract and look elsewhere, i have emailed their ceo office with my complaint as think it's completely unfair asking for such high upfront fees considering i'd already pais the £35 activation fee for infinity and it wasn't my fault their system was being a noob when i was ordering. Hopefully the ceo office will sort it if not then i'll look at other options and if need be fulfill my 12 months then switch.

[tassiekev]

Originally Posted by theone2k10

TBF i should of been more clearer in my post the £35 infinity activation fee i'm fine with also i'm fine with the £6.95 router delivery charge. When i ordered bt broadband for some reason it wasn't allowing tv so after speaking to a advisor it was agreed to wait until everything is up and running then try the tv again so i don't risk losing my £150 quidco, so today i tried to order tv it wanted £50 deposit plus £49 activation fee despite clearly saying "no activation fee" so i rang up and spoke to someone in their Scottish call centre they went through the order confirmed it was entertainment plus i wanted and on their system to it requested £50 deposit plus £49 activation fee. For me that was one charge too far so i enquired about just adding bt sport pack was told "yes i can do that it's not asking for any deposit or fees but i will lose my current offer" i told them "no thanks i'll look into my options elsewhere if need be i'll fulfill my 12 month contract and look elsewhere, i have emailed their ceo office with my complaint as think it's completely unfair asking for such high upfront fees considering i'd already pais the £35 activation fee for infinity and it wasn't my fault their system was being a noob when i was ordering. Hopefully the ceo office will sort it if not then i'll look at other options and if need be fulfill my 12 months then switch.

I wish you luck. From what I gather, sign-ups have been running at a very high rate and new staff are being thrown in at the deep end and are having trouble coping. I think their deal is a good one and its a shame that their management didn't plan ahead and have all this sorted well before the season starts. I hope you get what you want.