Football Talk 2006/2007 Season

[Atomic22]

hmm good goal by fletcher for scotland tho.
great to see the one and only 20LEgend is back in the norwegian team and scored two goals

[TheBlueRaja]

Now you know why some people hate the English...

[Mal]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Now you know why some people hate the English...

Over the media? Seems a really small thing to hate a whole country for. I mean, I hate bagpipes...does that mean I should hate the whole population of Scotland for making them "popular"?

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Mal

Over the media? Seems a really small thing to hate a whole country for. I mean, I hate bagpipes...does that mean I should hate the whole population of Scotland for making them "popular"?

Ireland did too, its a preconception that it was only Scotland that played the bagpipes.

I wasnt referring to the media, i was referring to the reaction of some people on here when confronted with an obvious bias in favor of a certain country despite it supposedly being a British organisation. Its almost like its being taken as an attack on England, with people getting offensive and not even taking the time to understand the reasons why the subject is being brought up in the first place and formulating informed responses instead of attacking Scotland, its team or its similarly trated neighbours.

Very immature.

I presented reasons why its annoying and showed that its persistant and not just a World Cup fad, i then stated ways that the BBC could very easily rectify it and then went about trying to show why some people could hate English people because of they way that they treat people when faced with the evidence as has been shown here.

[punky]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Ireland did too, its a preconception that it was only Scotland that played the bagpipes.

I wasnt referring to the media, i was referring to the reaction of some people on here when confronted with an obvious bias in favor of a certain country despite it supposedly being a British organisation. Its almost like its being taken as an attack on England, with people getting offensive and not even taking the time to understand the reasons why the subject is being brought up in the first place and formulating informed responses instead of attacking Scotland, its team or its similarly trated neighbours.

Very immature.

I presented reasons why its annoying and showed that its persistant and not just a World Cup fad, i then stated ways that the BBC could very easily rectify it and then went about trying to show why some people could hate English people because of they way that they treat people when faced with the evidence as has been shown here.

Just because you think its "obvious bias" and media-racism, doesn't make it so. And just because people have differing opinions to you, and are willing to back them up with reasoned arguments, no matter how much you don't like them, doesn't make them immature. In fact I think its more the other way. Stop stamping your feet because people don't agree with you.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Ireland did too, its a preconception that it was only Scotland that played the bagpipes.

I wasnt referring to the media, i was referring to the reaction of some people on here when confronted with an obvious bias in favor of a certain country despite it supposedly being a British organisation. Its almost like its being taken as an attack on England, with people getting offensive and not even taking the time to understand the reasons why the subject is being brought up in the first place and formulating informed responses instead of attacking Scotland, its team or its similarly trated neighbours.

Very immature.

I presented reasons why its annoying and showed that its persistant and not just a World Cup fad, i then stated ways that the BBC could very easily rectify it and then went about trying to show why some people could hate English people because of they way that they treat people when faced with the evidence as has been shown here.

That's why I said popular, instead of invented

If someone had posted a thread in a similar vein to your world cup thread, but about Scotland, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you have seen that as an attack? You might want to think about the content of your posts next time if you did not like the response.

Very immature.

It has been pointed out then and now, that we cannot do anything, the English people are not the media. Set up a petition, march on London, just do something about it!

I think Foreverwar is a Scot, so not all the responses are from the English

[iadom]

'favor', yuck, horrible American spelling, now that really does annoy me,

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by punky

Just because you think its "obvious bias" and media-racism, doesn't make it so. And just because people have differing opinions to you, and are willing to back them up with reasoned arguments, no matter how much you don't like them, doesn't make them immature. In fact I think its more the other way. Stop stamping your feet because people don't agree with you.

I've not seen any opposing arguments, all i have seen is slander.

Im still waiting for a justifiable reason why the other home nations shouldnt be given equal coverage by the BBC even if its only in their home territories that the games are shown.

Im still waiting for a reason why the BBC choses to highlight England above all other Home nation teams, even putting the cricket results above them.

Im still waiting for a response from the BBC.

And obviously im still "stamping my feet"

Originally Posted by Mal

That's why I said popular, instead of invented

If someone had posted a thread in a similar vein to your world cup thread, but about Scotland, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you have seen that as an attack? You might want to think about the content of your posts next time if you did not like the response.

Very immature.

It has been pointed out then and now, that we cannot do anything, the English people are not the media. Set up a petition, march on London, just do something about it!

I think Foreverwar is a Scot, so not all the responses are from the English

My World Cup thread never slagged England off, it merely states exactly when England would go out and what was wrong with your squad and that i would have prefered anyone but England to win it due to the bias of the English media.

Again, please understand the point before jumping in.

Setting up a petition or marching on London would only allow the media to twist it as an attack on the English people, who would be quite gullable to such a ploy given the responses on here.

[punky]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I've not seen any opposing arguments, all i have seen is slander.

Like...

Originally Posted by shawty

Hang on here, the fact that the English game was shown on bbc 1 is because more people want to watch England. And after the Englang match i also seen on every bit of news that they reported, they mentioned the other games.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

50 million people live in England
10 million people live in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales.

Wouldn't be unequal if NI,S,&W got the same coverage as England?

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I did - but you seem to be avoiding the fact that 10 times more people live in England than in Scotland, and the news reflects this - just like in the English news, a higher percentage of reporting comes from the South of England, and in the Scottish news, a higher percentage comes from Glasgow/Edinburgh - but I don't get upset about it.

etc... (love the multiquote system!)

*sigh*

Some people might have slandered you but you're hardly a shining example? Calling people immature? How about calling Britons racist? Is that not slander too?

Oh, and on the BBC radio 1 news talking about Murray reaching the forth round.... The only mentioned "the scot" and not "the Briton"

[Mal]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

My World Cup thread never slagged England off, it merely states exactly when England would go out and what was wrong with your squad and that i would have prefered anyone but England to win it due to the bias of the English media.

Again, please understand the point before jumping in.

...but it did not start off "due to the bias of the English media" though. If it had, it might of gone down a different route and you might have had a more sympathetic response from us English. The media angle only came to light towards the end. You may have have made that a bit clearer before anyone had a chance to jump in

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Setting up a petition or marching on London would only allow the media to twist it as an attack on the English people, who would be quite gullable to such a ploy given the responses on here.

Well, you don't want to do anything, that is your choice, don't say that we haven't told you what to do Plus with the petition or march, if you make it clear that it is against the bias in the media, not the English people...

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...and can I just state that I have never slated the Scots on this forum. What has annoyed me was your attitude towards us, like we were to blame for what the media does.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by punky

Like...

Snip...

The Scotland game was on at 3, the England Game at 5 and the Wales game at 7: (15 or 45).

All of them could have been shown by the BBC IN those regions or back to back on BBC 1 nationally. Instead the England game gets shown nationally, in ALL regions and no other game does.

In the event it wasnt too bad because Sky picked them up, which is Ok for me as i have Sky and the sports channel needed to view it (a subsciption service) but what about the millions that dont and still pay their fees? I suppose we souldnt care about them...

The amount of people represented by those countries as i aready explained is irrelevant as we all pay our fees and this is the BRITISH broadcasting company, not the English broadcasting company and who's charter is :-

"To provide, as public services, sound and television broadcasting services (whether by analogue or digital means) and to provide sound and television programmes of information, education and entertainment for general reception in Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and the territorial waters thereof."

It says nothing about proportional representation.

---------- Post added at 14:36 ---------- Previous post was at 14:34 ----------

Originally Posted by Mal

...and can I just state that I have never slated the Scots on this forum. What has annoyed me was your attitude towards us, like we were to blame for what the media does.

I resent that - i have been VERY careful in what i have said and have not once to my knowledge personally attacked or even said anything deflamatory about the English people.

That was not my intention and if i did come accross that way i appologise now.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

So wasnt the Scotland game not shown on BBC Scotland? If not then I'd agree that thats out of order.
I don't have Sky and am peeved off that the only place i can see the Wed game is at the pub , so if thats the case I know how you feel.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

So wasnt the Scotland game not shown on BBC Scotland? If not then I'd agree that thats out of order.
I don't have Sky and am peeved off that the only place i can see the Wed game is at the pub , so if thats the case I know how you feel.

Thats my point Saaf, it was only on Sky Sports, BBC Scotland did not show the game and i belive it was the same with the Wales match in Wales, the England game was shown in Scotland though, work that out.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Well thats not on then. I was under the impression that regional BBC showed the match that appealed to the country they are showing it in. I'd be very peeved off if i was a scotsman on Saturday (especially if i didnt have sky).

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Well thats not on then. I was under the impression that regional BBC showed the match that appealed to the country they are showing it in. I'd be very peeved off if i was a scotsman on Saturday (especially if i didnt have sky).

Thank you for understanding...