[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'd have thought the site going down hurts remain more than leave

not anymore the dead line it seems is another u-turn .

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I didn't like it either, I was watching it with my partner who is black. You should of heard what she was calling that black woman with the ignorant attitude, it would have been seen as severely racist if anyone white had said it.

What really annoyed my partner is that the woman was not only trying to give the impression that Farage was racist but also that black people don't vote for UKIP, well on that claim she couldn't be any more wrong. Of the black people I know many of them like what Farage says, and the only one who doesn't and is voting to remain in the EU works in the banking sector

Race-Baiting Farage Questioner: ‘ITV Invited Me On Because Of My Black Podcast’

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...black-podcast/

Originally Posted by Escapee

I didn't like it either, I was watching it with my partner who is black. You should of heard what she was calling that black woman with the ignorant attitude, it would have been seen as severely racist if anyone white had said it.

What really annoyed my partner is that the woman was not only trying to give the impression that Farage was racist but also that black people don't vote for UKIP, well on that claim she couldn't be any more wrong. Of the black people I know many of them like what Farage says, and the only one who doesn't and is voting to remain in the EU works in the banking sector

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...d-in-2015.aspx

2% of non-white people voted UKIP. That's a bit of a distortion though as less people did over all (12% white voters did). Still compared to the other parties they do have the smallest proportional support from minority/ethnic groups than Con/Lab/LibGreens so her point on that specific instance wasn't entirely unfair.

I don't agree with her overall point/rant though.

Her point is demonstrably nonsense anyway. Being in the EU means uncontrolled immigration from (overwhelmingly white) Europe, which then mandates strict controls on immigration from the rest of the world (much of which is not white) if we're to maintain any influence on total net migration.

If would-be immigrants from Europe had to compete on a level playing field with those from the rest of the world, we would have an immigration policy based explicitly on skills and not on nationality. If either approach can be called in any way racist, then it's the EU approach.

[Kursk]

Something that's become painfully obvious during the debates is how poorly served we are by our mainstream journalists. I can remember when Andrew Marr and Robert Peston were effective interviewers; they've become way too matey with the various authority figures they interview. It's like they're having a little chat in a gentleman's club .

Contrast this with the performance of the incisive and irreverent interrogations of DC and MG by Sky's Faisal Islam. He was brilliant in taking them to task and it reminded me that politicians serve us, not the other way around.

We need to see more of Faisal on TV imho; he made the interviews exciting and nicely uncomfortable.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

not anymore the dead line it seems is another u-turn .

or an attempt to rig the vote by getting more young people to register as they are more likely to vote remain. The older generation are likely to vote leave. That should tell the country something. That we are the ones who voted last time and can see what a bliddy mistake it was to vote remain.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

or an attempt to rig the vote by getting more young people to register as they are more likely to vote remain. The older generation are likely to vote leave. That should tell the country something. That we are the ones who voted last time and can see what a bliddy mistake it was to vote remain.

Do you think the purposefully took down the site then? By the way expanded the electorate isn't really rigging the vote.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

or an attempt to rig the vote by getting more young people to register as they are more likely to vote remain. The older generation are likely to vote leave. That should tell the country something. That we are the ones who voted last time and can see what a bliddy mistake it was to vote remain.

i find it quite alarming that 2 days have been added to the deadline i thought the site went down for 2 hours .

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...d-in-2015.aspx

2% of non-white people voted UKIP. That's a bit of a distortion though as less people did over all (12% white voters did). Still compared to the other parties they do have the smallest proportional support from minority/ethnic groups than Con/Lab/LibGreens so her point on that specific instance wasn't entirely unfair.

I don't agree with her overall point/rant though.

Non-White, that's a very wide brush isn't it.

As my partner says, she and many of her friends chose Britain to emigrate to because the British forced them to speak English, if the French had colonised them she would most likely be living in France. She's quite patriotic, get's very annoyed with the soft British politicians, and get's very vocal about people with no historical connection or ability to speak English coming here whilst on the other hand her country folk are limited due to immigration targets.

She gets very annoyed about immigration in general, mostly because she knows of so many cases of people living here after making false asylum claims in the early-mid 2000's using false passports/birth certificates.

Black people (African) I know, generally see through the racist chants aimed at Farage & UKIP. What was different about this rant at Farage was that it wasn't from a white person.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Do you think the purposefully took down the site then? By the way expanded the electorate isn't really rigging the vote.

It wouldn't surprise me. Getting more youngsters to vote will obviously help remain more than leave.

Originally Posted by Escapee

Non-White, that's a very wide brush isn't it.

Well not that weird in UK terms but yes, but that was the only measurement MORI had. White or BME.

As my partner says, she and many of her friends chose Britain to emigrate to because the British forced them to speak English, if the French had colonised them she would most likely be living in France. She's quite patriotic, get's very annoyed with the soft British politicians, and get's very vocal about people with no historical connection or ability to speak English coming here whilst on the other hand her country folk are limited due to immigration targets.

I believe there is a lot of disquiet about that. People in immigrant communities or who come from one being unhappy that their relatives or countrymen can't get in but someone with no family can.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

It wouldn't surprise me. Getting more youngsters to vote will obviously help remain more than leave.

OK but wouldn't taking the site down as they were all trying to register hurt Remain?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Damien

3 days? It wasn't down that long.

He was unable to get to the site for 3 days. He has tried gain today a few times, same problem.

I keep getting the Gateway problem too on my PC.

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Just before the referendum, Cardiff's council rag "The Capital Times" gets a rebrand as "IN Cardiff" with the word IN in white on a solid block of red.

Subliminal advertising?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Taf

He was unable to get to the site for 3 days. He has tried gain today a few times, same problem.

I keep getting the Gateway problem too on my PC.

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Just before the referendum, Cardiff's council rag "The Capital Times" gets a rebrand as "IN Cardiff" with the word IN in white on a solid block of red.

Subliminal advertising?

I'm sure it's perfectly innocent, purely co-incidental...

Originally Posted by Taf

He was unable to get to the site for 3 days. He has tried gain today a few times, same problem.

I keep getting the Gateway problem too on my PC.

Bizarre! It's not happening here. Are you both on the same ISP? Something is really weird there. Just be sure this is the site: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

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Originally Posted by Taf

Just before the referendum, Cardiff's council rag "The Capital Times" gets a rebrand as "IN Cardiff" with the word IN in white on a solid block of red.

Subliminal advertising?

Originally Posted by Osem

I'm sure it's perfectly innocent, purely co-incidental...

No we did that on purpose.

[papa smurf]

New Brexit song MOCKS meddling EU and paints picture of proud FREE UK

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...song-Brexit-EU