[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Aye well the sooner we ditch the EU the better or they will take us down with them. Even economists agree the Euro is heading for disaster and if we are not in the EU our economy may not take such a big hit. I know we are not in the Euro but it still effects us as there will be no money to give us back. No money means increase in membership should the Euro fail despite what Cameron says.

[heero_yuy]

It's likely that the cost of EU membership for the UK will rise with the accession of a number of poor Eastern states all of which will qualify for and expect EU handouts. Together with further bailouts of the Greek economy and possibly Italy and portugal. The UK will be unable to veto or evade these payments as the EU meisters will just find another way to make us pay that cannot be vetoed. Just look how Dave said we'd never pay that £1.8bn in the Autumn but we paid it anyway.

Remember:

The European commission has defied George Osborne, the UK chancellor, by formally proposing an emergency loan for Greece through an EU-wide bailout fund using up to £850m of British contributions.

The proposed use of the European Financial Stability Mechanism fund is a blow to the UK, because David Cameron thought he had secured in 2010 a “black and white” British opt-out from participating in any further bailouts for eurozone countries.

In the 2015 Conservative manifesto, the prime minister claimed: “We took Britain out of eurozone bailouts – the first ever return of powers from Brussels.”

However, with Greece needing an emergency cash lifeline of €7bn by Monday, the European commission has concluded this is the best way of avoiding a catastrophic banking collapse in the country.

Source

Osborne claimed then we're indemnified against further bailouts but I would't believe that. He would only have been given those assurances if the EU knows another way of getting the milchcow to pay up.

Remain and it's pretty certain that the rebate, such as it is after TB gave much of it away in his ambition to get the EU presidency, will go as well. The EU has intimated as much.

At this point in time we are masters of our own destiny, such an opportunity will not come again for a long time.

[Gavin78]

I got a text from Vodafone this morning to say Zone 1 charges across the board will be going up from July and there was me thinking charges from the EU were getting better or fairer as they say.

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On another note I dont like how the 2 black women in the audience were attacking farage over his comments on how women were being attacked in Germany because of the open borders.

I agree with what he said I've read a few articles now relating to German teenage girls/older women getting raped. there was an incident not long since where an 18 year old was followed by a group of 16 year olds and gang raped.

There was an article where a 13 year old was also raped and the list goes on and all this from migrants from other countries. I think he was holding back by saying it is the way they treat women in their home countries.

That is utter nonsense what I think he really wants to say is these **** are moving from country to country with the intention to commit these offenses they know what they are doing and what is right from wrong but because it is hard to track them and they know this they can do these horrible things.

They don't want to integrate into the countries they settle in they want to transform them into their own. It makes my blood boil when something happens in a community and the majority are of none English origin and the police or local councils or Gov say we will speak with the leaders of that community I mean WTF is all that about?

If they can't mix with people of the country they have moved to then don't come here.

I would 100% agree with a point system.

I like how Cameron was asked what if the UK was to leave the EU where would you see our country in 20 years time and he couldn't answer the question other than repeat about there being 500 million people in the EU and talk about cars as to the only point of sale in the UK lol he's got one scripted speech he's learnt and he wont go off the track with it

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It's likely that the cost of EU membership for the UK will rise with the accession of a number of poor Eastern states all of which will qualify for and expect EU handouts. Together with further bailouts of the Greek economy and possibly Italy and portugal. The UK will be unable to veto or evade these payments as the EU meisters will just find another way to make us pay that cannot be vetoed. Just look how Dave said we'd never pay that £1.8bn in the Autumn but we paid it anyway.

Remember:



Source

Osborne claimed then we're indemnified against further bailouts but I would't believe that. He would only have been given those assurances if the EU knows another way of getting the milchcow to pay up.

Remain and it's pretty certain that the rebate, such as it is after TB gave much of it away in his ambition to get the EU presidency, will go as well. The EU has intimated as much.

At this point in time we are masters of our own destiny, such an opportunity will not come again for a long time.

Well we all know what liars they are. Just like recent talks, they got nothing but gave plenty away.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I got a text from Vodafone this morning to say Zone 1 charges across the board will be going up from July and there was me thinking charges from the EU were getting better or fairer as they say.

---------- Post added at 11:24 ---------- Previous post was at 11:08 ----------

On another note I dont like how the 2 black women in the audience were attacking farage over his comments on how women were being attacked in Germany because of the open borders.

I agree with what he said I've read a few articles now relating to German teenage girls/older women getting raped. there was an incident not long since where an 18 year old was followed by a group of 16 year olds and gang raped.

There was an article where a 13 year old was also raped and the list goes on and all this from migrants from other countries. I think he was holding back by saying it is the way they treat women in their home countries.

That is utter nonsense what I think he really wants to say is these **** are moving from country to country with the intention to commit these offenses they know what they are doing and what is right from wrong but because it is hard to track them and they know this they can do these horrible things.

They don't want to integrate into the countries they settle in they want to transform them into their own. It makes my blood boil when something happens in a community and the majority are of none English origin and the police or local councils or Gov say we will speak with the leaders of that community I mean WTF is all that about?

If they can't mix with people of the country they have moved to then don't come here.

I would 100% agree with a point system.

I like how Cameron was asked what if the UK was to leave the EU where would you see our country in 20 years time and he couldn't answer the question other than repeat about there being 500 million people in the EU and talk about cars as to the only point of sale in the UK lol he's got one scripted speech he's learnt and he wont go off the track with it

At the risk of sounding racist here it seems like a case of poor black man / woman crying racist against a white man. Did you know that in this country it's not racist towards a white person or UK born but it is towards a black/ethnic if something deemed to be racist is said?

Here's an answer to that question. I'm sure there's more.

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/questio...5131107AAVK6Ho


Yes...in a sense. I'm black, and I could definitely be racist on my own, as a single person, if I were that ignorant. If I were ignorant, I could commit hate crimes and call a white person a slur and discriminate them. Yes, I could be blindly prejudiced, and any other one black person can be racist toward white people.

But, on the flip side, no, black people cannot be systematically racist, simply because we're not the ones in control of the system and we don't have the amount of power in America that white people have. We can't spread harmful stereotypes through the media. White people aren't often turned down for jobs because of their race. Why? Simply because they're not a minority.

So yes, black people can inflict general racism upon white people... but not systematic racism.

[Osem]

We all need to realise that they'll never admit the truth when it comes to open borders and the logical consequences thereof. We can see the truth around us daily, we don't need other people to tell us what we see and how it affects us.

Infrastructure is hugely expensive and requires long term planning but migration which, for various reasons, can ebb and flow on a huge scale over relatively short periods isn't conducive to that at all because it's impossible to predict how many people might come, whether or not they might stay long term and what their future needs might be. A policy of free movement just means that nobody can accurately plan ahead, whether it's the UK accommodating millions more people or the likes of Greece, Spain, Lithuania, Poland, etc. seeing an exodus of certain groups.

To some, it might seem great that Greek doctors and teachers are free to leave ailing Greece for pastures new but where does that leave Greece?

Looks like Cameron will extend the deadline until the end of today.

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Originally Posted by Taf

My neighbour knocked our door at 11:30 last evening. He had been trying to register to vote online for 3 days. I gave it a try but by the cutoff time of midnight the site still had not opened.

So you might want to inform your neighbour.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like Cameron will extend the deadline until the end of today.

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So you might want to inform your neighbour.

No doubt there'll be some not happy cos they couldn't get through in time - There's always one at least. So now what happens if that happens? Does he extend it another day if a few were too late and then another day cos someone else wants to sign up? Where does it end?

LAST DAY for Postal Votes!

Originally Posted by Big Brian

No doubt there'll be some not happy cos they couldn't get through in time - There's always one at least. So now what happens if that happens? Does he extend it another day if a few were too late and then another day cos someone else wants to sign up? Where does it end?

LAST DAY for Postal Votes!

It ends as long as the system stays up. It isn't about getting though in time but the fact the system crashed,

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Looks like the government will have to pass emergency legislation.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

It ends as long as the system stays up. It isn't about getting though in time but the fact the system crashed,

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Looks like the government will have to pass emergency legislation.

Good job this isn't an EU issue - can you imagine how long 'emergency legislation' would take to pass?

[Big Brian]

Registration to vote in EU Referendum: Deadline to be extended to midnight tomorrow. Latest from the Commons who are now debating the subject.

Tonight would have be sufficient imo.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I thought Cameron was a cut and paste from the sky news debate from the other night he just went over the same old stuff he's like a one trick pony.

He was and yet he still got the better of the debate imo. It takes a very special politician to make Dave look good, step forward nigel, take a bow.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He was and yet he still got the better of the debate imo. It takes a very special politician to make Dave look good, step forward nigel, take a bow.

To be fair Cameron arranged that on purpose. They know Farage does little to convince floating voters.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

EU threat to your pension: Expert says vote leave to protect retirement pots

Edi Truell, former chairman of the London Pension Fund Authority and founder of the Pension Insurance Corporation, has said that he is backing a Brexit to protect British pensions.

His stark warning over the terrible cost of staying in the EU comes amid further revelations that Brussels wants to take control of the British tax system with a European tax code imposed across the 28 member states.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...etirement-pots

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EU referendum live: voter registration site crashes after Cameron-Farage debate

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-farage-debate

the good old the websites gone down ploy /we need more time

I'd have thought the site going down hurts remain more than leave

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

On another note I dont like how the 2 black women in the audience were attacking farage over his comments on how women were being attacked in Germany because of the open borders.

I didn't like it either, I was watching it with my partner who is black. You should of heard what she was calling that black woman with the ignorant attitude, it would have been seen as severely racist if anyone white had said it.

What really annoyed my partner is that the woman was not only trying to give the impression that Farage was racist but also that black people don't vote for UKIP, well on that claim she couldn't be any more wrong. Of the black people I know many of them like what Farage says, and the only one who doesn't and is voting to remain in the EU works in the banking sector