Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 176

dav · 08-04-2008, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceedee

Does it follow therefore that it'll be over-hyped, three months later than expected and lead to more frustration than it was designed to avoid?

"...over-hyped..." Yes.
"...three months later than expected..." Almost.
"...more frustration..." Of course, what else would you expect?

AlexanderHanff · 08-04-2008, 15:51

Anyone else noticed this thread is rapidly approaching 3000 posts? Might be worth printing the entire thread and sending it directly to Sir Richard's office by courier, marked for Sir Richard's (or Sir Dick as he might well become known if he doesn't save his brand soon) attention of course.

Alexander Hanff

PeteTheMusicGuy · 08-04-2008, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Just an amusing little anecdote here for you all. I was just spell checking my article after finishing the section on Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 when I noticed the recommended spelling for Phorm's COO (Virasb Vahidi) from my spell checker was "Virus".

I hope you all find that as amusing and apt as I do

Alexander Hanff

Thats good

snazzy · 08-04-2008, 17:18

The register has lots of info on Phorm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/

AlexanderHanff · 08-04-2008, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by snazzy

The register has lots of info on Phorm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/

I think you will find most of us have read all of those articles and many other articles elsewhere. However, welcome to the thread.

Alexander Hanff

Florence · 08-04-2008, 17:32

True Alexander but Elreg has now put them easy to return to for rechecking info

flowrebmit · 08-04-2008, 17:34

Alexander, there are so many articles all over the place, I am not sure I've read them all

Delta Whiskey · 08-04-2008, 18:01

Mechanism of Phorm tracking system revealed:
http://www.heise-online.co.uk/securi...--/news/110497

If I read a quick look of the white paper correctly, not allowing or blocking cookies from webwise.net will mean you get a new identifier for every website (see item 29).

Bonglet · 08-04-2008, 18:10

Interesting what you see when viewing the youtube links watch this one with interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Mq-...eature=related

he or they posted that 2 weeks ago and on it he says it goes live in 2 weeks on every isp lol so i take it that vm now has this in place and might have already switched it on could anyone confirm this or not from a vm employee pov?, i also like it when he sniggers and says you'll not be able to miss this fact it is deployed (no sh*t sherlock).

Is it already live i wonder because since middle of last week i am getting big ping spikes in online gaming but it isnt a latency issue ;(.

Another classic of the Phorm Pr clips was the one where they defended there past and said the user knew what they were downloading i beg to differ if you ever saw one of there poxy popups advertising there jank wether or not you pressed no still resulted in you being infected with there crap untill you formatted to be completeley rid of it, amount of machines i had to fix infected with there jank rootkit was a good few and these were normal users who had no idea how it got on there.

Thought i never saw it infect anyone for a while only because they shut up shop to develop this bigger jank.

Can anyone from vm verify if this is live on vm already?.

Anonymouse · 08-04-2008, 18:13

A possible result - my MEP, Gary Titley, has replied to me to the effect that he is submitting a written parliamentary question to the Euoropean Commission; apparently he's had a number of constituents writing to him about Phorm. We appear to be getting somewhere.

Also, I queried the IronKey team about the version of Firefox they use - it can be updated/upgraded in the same way as the standard version. So I might just buy one and thus effectively opt out to an extent about which Virgin et al can do absolutely nothing. They try to break military-standard encryption, they'll still be at it when the sun explodes.

Or I may still switch ISPs. But I have a nasty feeling that I'm nowhere near an exchange and thus ADSL will be slow, so I don't want to switch. IronKey might be the best compromise for me. Then again, I have plans to move anyway, so I might end up somewhere more suitable.

It all depends on Virgin - lord 'elp us!

AlexanderHanff · 08-04-2008, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florence

True Alexander but Elreg has now put them easy to return to for rechecking info

Hehehe that elreg page has been there for over a month

Maybe I am just obsessed and read -everything- I can find lol

Alexander Hanff

popper · 08-04-2008, 18:25

No.32

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now talking directly to the VM lawyers, thats novel,he gives some really interesting information.

does that means everyone might consider moving over to the business line if you cant get good DSL?

remember though, thats a totally different contract compared to your consumer T&C and you loose many consumer benefits so be careful out there... and know what your giving up.

it might be werth looking for the new mobile consumer offerings before (or as well as) the business BB.

i did say a while back they would be mad to include the cable business lines in the Phorm trial, and it seems the layers are thinking the same.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04..._ico/comments/
"
By Steve
Posted Tuesday 8th April 2008 08:58 GMT
Morning all,
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VM
I've got a Virgin Media business account, and sort out PCs for several neighbours with Virgin residential lines.

I actually spoke to VM's lawyers about Phorm last Friday. After the public drubbing BT got, they seem very anxious to be seen to be doing the right thing.

What I got from the call was:
1) They are still looking at whether or not to implement
2) No trial would be carried out without prior notification
3) They're watching with interest what is happening with regard BT and Phorm
4) They're aware (and concerned) about Phorm's history
5) They aren't planning to implement it on business accounts (though as these pass in part over domestic network I can't see that makes any difference).

Try calling them, voice your opinions... if nothing else it's their time and call cost!

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General stuff
That the ICO can see no breach of the DPA isn't a shock, but we should probably be writing en masse to the home secretary to ask them to investigate the breach of law vis-a-vis RIPA.

Do it by pen and paper and cc it to your local MP. If you don't get a reply, push it up the scale with a few newspapers, watchdog etc. "Home Secretary fails to look into illegal interception" is just one conceivable headline.

I'm typing my letter this morning. Anyone else joining in?
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Paris - because even she can understand what's going on"

mark777 · 08-04-2008, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by OF1975

Finally getting somewhere on the iii investment site. Some of those who invested in Phorm seem to be waking up to just what a bad idea it is and reconsidering their investment

Lets keep it up.

They have twigged that you post on here. You shouldn't have gone in undercover using the neutral username of 'stazi phormistan'.

08-04-2008, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

A possible result - my MEP, Gary Titley, has replied to me to the effect that he is submitting a written parliamentary question to the Euoropean Commission; apparently he's had a number of constituents writing to him about Phorm. We appear to be getting somewhere.

I got a similar letter from him. He also suggests that as many people as possible make a formal complaint to the Information Commission.

Sirius · 08-04-2008, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonglet

Interesting what you see when viewing the youtube links watch this one with interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Mq-...eature=related

he or they posted that 2 weeks ago and on it he says it goes live in 2 weeks on every isp lol so i take it that vm now has this in place and might have already switched it on could anyone confirm this or not from a vm employee pov?, i also like it when he sniggers and says you'll not be able to miss this fact it is deployed (no sh*t sherlock).

Is it already live i wonder because since middle of last week i am getting big ping spikes in online gaming but it isnt a latency issue ;(.

Another classic of the Phorm Pr clips was the one where they defended there past and said the user knew what they were downloading i beg to differ if you ever saw one of there poxy popups advertising there jank wether or not you pressed no still resulted in you being infected with there crap untill you formatted to be completeley rid of it, amount of machines i had to fix infected with there jank rootkit was a good few and these were normal users who had no idea how it got on there.

Thought i never saw it infect anyone for a while only because they shut up shop to develop this bigger jank.

Can anyone from vm verify if this is live on vm already?.

If true that is very very worrying. Best i start my move to another isp asap