[Merged] The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by nffc

Well would you take a striker to play against the world's finest defences (OK, Sweden, Paraguay and T+T) whose only experience is 21 games in the second tier?

It's not just about ability it's about the experience and having proved yourself at the highest level before being selected.

Selecting Walcott is no more than selecting a lower division player for England. You wouldn't take Richard Cresswell would you? At least if Andy Johnson was going to be picked, he's played in the Premiership. Pearce and Merson were also picked for internationals when in the lower division but at least they had played in the side (and in Pearce's case, in a semi final of a world cup) and in the top flight beforehand.

If you honestly think picking a player with practically no experience, or actually none in the top flight or international level, as potentially the second striker in the side is a good idea then I dunno.

In fact, I'd rather take someone like Harewood, Beattie or even Defoe or Vassell because all of them have top flight or England experience. Walcott does not - yet - but does look an exciting prospect. He's 17. Maybe in 2 years time he'll be international quality. What about if he's the next Danny Cadamarteri?

If you honestly think this is all a good idea then really I think you should get one of these.

Do you live in a cave and catch and kill all your own food too?

Engalnd have the best record in recent years with SGE managing them. I don't think he's the best manager ever, and he's made some questionable decisions in the past, but I think he's onto something with Walcott. How is Walcott going to get experience, unless he plays? If you're super talented, then experience won't really affect your playing. I really think he's going to be great.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Do you live in a cave and catch and kill all your own food too?

Be fair OB - he does support Forest. He's not expected to know anything about football really

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Do you live in a cave and catch and kill all your own food too?

Engalnd have the best record in recent years with SGE managing them. I don't think he's the best manager ever, and he's made some questionable decisions in the past, but I think he's onto something with Walcott. How is Walcott going to get experience, unless he plays? If you're super talented, then experience won't really affect your playing. I really think he's going to be great.

But why do you think he is ready for the world cup if his club manager doesn't think he is ready for the premiership?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by gazzae

But why do you think he is ready for the world cup if his club manager doesn't think he is ready for the premiership?

And what have Arsenal won this year under Wengers 'thinking'? Nothing yet. They got fourth (because someone poisoned their nearest rivals), and let's face it, they're gonna get spanked next week. And I'll be wearing my dayglo yellow barca shirt with pride.

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Be fair OB - he does support Forest. He's not expected to know anything about football really

Good one - didn't think of it like that!

[sherer]

sven may have a better record with England than most but he also has the best talent pool since 66-70 and has only really got them as far as they would have with the bloke from down the pub in charge

he's shown himself up far too many times when the games get to the final stages and he doesn't have a clue what to do.. he barely even watches the matches

think whem SM takes over there will be no change as he does all the training and that anyway which will show up how little Sven does.. plus at the moment what clubs are after Sven ?

if you not good enough for the league then you not good enough for the WC either

am willing to let him have a go during the friendly with Hungary at end of the month and see how he goes but he hasn't played a proper game this year and three friendlies hardley seems enough

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by sherer

sven may have a better record with England than most but he also has the best talent pool since 66-70 and has only really got them as far as they would have with the bloke from down the pub in charge

You forgot to add 'IMO'.

he's shown himself up far too many times when the games get to the final stages and he doesn't have a clue what to do.. he barely even watches the matches

So have some of the £100k a week players shown themselves up on the pitch. No-one's perfect.

think whem SM takes over there will be no change as he does all the training and that anyway which will show up how little Sven does..

I have very little hope of SM being a good manager too.

plus at the moment what clubs are after Sven ?

I have no idea. I don't care where he goes next.

if you not good enough for the league then you not good enough for the WC either

Why shoulld SGE base his decisions on what AW thinks? Please refer to my previous post.

am willing to let him have a go during the friendly with Hungary at end of the month and see how he goes but he hasn't played a proper game this year and three friendlies hardley seems enough

Very gracious of you. I'm sure he talks highly of you too.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by orangebird

And what have Arsenal won this year under Wengers 'thinking'? Nothing yet. They got fourth (because someone poisoned their nearest rivals), and let's face it, they're gonna get spanked next week. And I'll be wearing my dayglo yellow barca shirt with pride.

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Good one - didn't think of it like that!

Every club except Chelsea would swap places with Arsenal now as for them getting spanked what like Real were going to spank them and Juventus were going to spank them. Why should Sven listen to Arsene Wenger perhaps because he is the best manager in the Premiership.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Every club except Chelsea would swap places with Arsenal now as for them getting spanked what like Real were going to spank them and Juventus were going to spank them. Why should Sven listen to Arsene Wenger perhaps because he is the best manager in the Premiership.

Real M are overrated. I didn't think for a minute they'd beat Arsenal. As for Juventus, they're great, but that's about it. Barcelona are phenomenal. And will win.

How do you come to the conclusion that AW is the best manager? Just because he got his team to a cup final? So has SM, JM won the league, and one of either AP & RB is bringing a cup home this weekend. So, where's your logic?

[TheDaddy]

Where is my logic perhaps it is based on the fact that apart from this season he has never been out of the top two, the fact he went an entire season un-beaten, the fact that he has generated vast profits for the club despite working on a budget far lower than his rivals, the fact that he takes average players and makes the world class, his youth policy ect. and if they are not reason enough then look at who Jose targeted first as his main opposition not Alex Ferguson or until recently Rafa Benitez.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Where is my logic perhaps it is based on the fact that apart from this season he has never been out of the top two, the fact he went an entire season un-beaten, the fact that he has generated vast profits for the club despite working on a budget far lower than his rivals, the fact that he takes average players and makes the world class, his youth policy ect.[

So had AF in recent years. Your point is?

and if they are not reason enough then look at who Jose targeted first as his main opposition not Alex Ferguson or until recently Rafa Benitez.

No, because he wasn't clever enough to deal with them, that's why. Arsene's the only one stupid enough to bite. Look at the appalling way he spoke about MJ - I really wish MJ had planted one on him for that. And still, no apology.

[TheDaddy]

Right so Alex Feguson has never been out of the top two, he has gone the season un-beaten, he is not a cheaque book manager that spends money instead of making it.
The fact is Arsene Wenger does it with one hand behind his back and still consistentley delivers the goods.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Right so Alex Feguson has never been out of the top two, he has gone the season un-beaten, he is not a cheaque book manager that spends money instead of making it.

I've attached this link so everyone can see exactly what AW and AF have achieved. Take what AW has achieved a basically double it to get AF stats. Man U is very well known for having one of the best academies in Europe, and AF was at Man u way before the money started rolling in - it was BECAUSE of his management that the money came in, through sheer success.

The fact is Arsene Wenger does it with one hand behind his back and still consistentley delivers the goods.

Er, no, he doesn't. Arsenal have won the league three times in the past decade -half of the amount that AF has taken Man U to the top in the same time. I could go on but I'm bored now now, and I don't even support Man U. The stats are available for every one to see. You're obvioosly a very passionate, although somewhat deluded Ars3 fan.

[TheDaddy]

Actually I surport West Ham so technically I should despise Arsenal and under George Graham I did. So Man Utd's academey, how many have come through since the days of Beckham, Giggs, Brown ect. John O'Shea and Darren Fletcher that is the best in Europe.
Right so by selling your best players every couple of years and not spending the income to replace them is not doing it at a massive disadvantage.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by orangebird

And what have Arsenal won this year under Wengers 'thinking'? Nothing yet. They got fourth (because someone poisoned their nearest rivals), and let's face it, they're gonna get spanked next week. And I'll be wearing my dayglo yellow barca shirt with pride.

What has Arsenal's poor season got to do with it? Do you mean that Wenger now doesn't have a clue? Or are you saying if he played Walcott from when he signed they would have won the league?

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by gazzae

What has Arsenal's poor season got to do with it? Do you mean that Wenger now doesn't have a clue? Or are you saying if he played Walcott from when he signed they would have won the league?

I'm not saying anything. It was pointed out earlier that AW hadn't picked Walcott to play at all, so SGE shouldn't have. Why should SVE follow AWs train of thought. Her's hardly going to have to order a new trophy cabinet on the teams he's played this year, is he? We'll never know whether a contribution from Walcott would've helped. But we might know for the World Cup. Very brave and exciting choice from SGE.