13-03-2025, 19:03
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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So we shouldnt give kids any vaccines or any medication then?
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I didn’t say that, you did.
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As all medications and vaccine have side effects and some people can be allergic to them.
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So don’t take ones you don’t need then.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Or…
Those statistics show that, since the vast majority of people were vaccinated against COVID, it helped reduce the death rates for all age groups, especially amongst the under-65s…
And the fact that most people were vaccinated, it reduced the viral load & infection rate/severity.
Comparative deaths from COVID in the USA, by age groups under 65, vaccinated vs unvaccinated
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ination-status

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I will accept that would be factor, especially in say….the 30-60 age range. But theres no evidence that I have seen that would suggest if you were fit and healthy <30 years old. That the vaccines (and we should highlight it wasn’t just one) did anything for you.
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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.
My position has been clear all through this.
I’m not, and have never been, anti-vax. But you should only take things that you need, and choose to take.
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Last edited by Paul; 14-03-2025 at 00:25.
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13-03-2025, 21:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I didn’t say that, you did.
So don’t take ones you don’t need then.
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I will accept that would be factor, especially in say….the 30-60 age range. But theres no evidence that I have seen that would suggest if you were fit and healthy <30 years old. That the vaccines (and we should highlight it wasn’t just one) did anything for you.
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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.
My position has been clear all through this.
I’m not, and have never been, anti-vax. But you should only take things that you need, and choose to take.
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Thank you for that reasoned, and reasonable, reply - however (sorry, there’s always a "however" - it’s like "but", just seems politer), your comment about "full on" applies equally to those who identify as (re COVID specifically, but also applies to all-encompassing) "anti-vax" - this is how your assertion reads with the single " anti-" added…
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What you have to factor in to this post COVID discussion is that, there are a lot of people who went full on, and full in to the whole anti-vaccine thing, and they don’t want to be wrong, at any level and so will defend their position to the hilt…….understandable, but doesn’t make them right.
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14-03-2025, 08:13
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Thank you for that reasoned, and reasonable, reply - however (sorry, there’s always a "however" - it’s like "but", just seems politer), your comment about "full on" applies equally to those who identify as (re COVID specifically, but also applies to all-encompassing) "anti-vax" - this is how your assertion reads with the single "anti-" added…
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I can accept that, both positions can be true.
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14-03-2025, 10:53
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Re: Coronavirus
This paper is our friend here when it comes to safety outcomes of COVID and COVID vaccination in children- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-47745-z
This study looked at a cohort of 5.1 million children in the UK for vaccine side effects and infection effects to compare relative risks of both. Lots of in depth stats and a pretty heavy read as you might expect but here’s the critical paragraph in the conclusions;
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In summary, we found no strong evidence for increased risks of 12 pre-specified vaccine safety outcomes following COVID-19 vaccination in children aged 5–11 years and no new significant safety concerns in 12–17-year-olds following vaccination with mRNA vaccines recommended for use in these age groups in the UK by the JCVI. Additionally, in unvaccinated children we found increased risks of hospitalisation from seven adverse outcomes including MIS-C and myocarditis following SARS-CoV-2 infection that were either not observed, or were reduced, following vaccination. Overall, our findings support a favourable safety profile of COVID-19 vaccination using mRNA vaccines in children and young people aged 5-17 years.
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Something the NHS is really good at is collating big data!
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14-03-2025, 11:34
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Re: Coronavirus
When I was a child we were taken to measles parties!
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14-03-2025, 11:41
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Re: Coronavirus
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When I was a child we were taken to measles parties!
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same here, i have 5 cousin's and we all slept top n tail in a double bed at my aunts house for measles /chicken pox parties.
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14-03-2025, 15:46
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Re: Coronavirus
My kids did not need to go to specific measles parties, they all got it from attending nursery school.
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14-03-2025, 15:55
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Re: Coronavirus
When I was a kid it was enough just to go to school to get the 4 major infections. I also had glandular fever which is a mercy to get the immunity when young.
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