[Merged] Football talk

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Originally Posted by gary_580

The POSH were robbed. Another one of those distored goal lines!!

No way. You lost to Forest ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

How low can you get?

[Nugget]

Just prior to the 'Match of the Century' © tonight,and courtesy of our friends at The Guardian, here's what Ferguson and Wenger say, and what they really mean:

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"The disappointing thing with the first game was that it was not really a good promotion for English football"

What he meant: "A worldwide audience of 600 million people doesn't tune in to watch 22 angry millionaires spitefully kicking chunks out of one another on the off chance a major fight might break out . . . Oh, now hang on a minute . . ."

Alex Ferguson

"Our boys have faced far more hostile atmospheres than they will at Highbury. When you go to Anfield, a Liverpool v Manchester United game is fantastic. And as for Leeds United at Elland Road? Deary me!"

What he meant: "Let's face facts, southerners are just a load of passionless middle-class jessies"

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"It doesn't matter if we are playing Manchester United or Coventry."

What he meant: "Since relegation from the Premiership the Sky Blues have gone into financial and footballing freefall. We can but dream."

Alex Ferguson

"My players behave themselves properly. They always do. They have a good discipline record and that requires good discipline within themselves and from the management of the club."

What he meant: "If I order the Nevilles to give a Spaniard a kicking for tactical reasons, they give him a kicking for tactical reasons, but his mob just does what they like when they like."

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"We had the best record in the Premier League last season and this season with the fewest fouls committed."

What he meant: "They kick us more often than we do them, but remember: it's quality not quantity that counts."

Alex Ferguson

"The experience of players like Keane, Scholes and Giggs holds you in good stead."

What he meant: "We've snarled and sworn at hundreds more linesmen and chased dozens more referees across the pitch than they have and that means we've got a head start because the officials are already scared of us before we kick-off."

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"And who is most sinned against? Arsenal Football Club."

What he meant: "It wasn't us who started it. Just look at the number of times Robert Pires has been blown over in the penalty area, if you don't believe me."

Alex Ferguson

"The hype has maybe gone over the top"

What he meant: "Ashley Cole is certain to go over the top."

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"I have no doubt about Ashley's commitment to the club."

What he meant: "Ashley Cole will be totally focused tomorrow night. Probably on Phil Neville's right shin."

Alex Ferguson

"Chelsea do look as if they have an unassailable lead, but you keep thinking about football as game that can change completely."

What he meant: "Chelsea look unbeatable, but remember: Arsenal went 49 games undefeated and look at them now, they're getting caned off Bolton."

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"We don't really know where Rooney plays at the moment - is he a second striker or a main striker?"

What he meant: "Or a diving *******? Personally I'd play him in the hole. And then have a bulldozer push five tons of gravel on top of him."

Alex Ferguson

"We are chasing the sands of time now."

What he meant: "See, it's not just that Frenchman who does all the deep, philosophical and poetic stuff."

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"My team will need to perform at its best."

What he meant: "I am confident that if the players give everything this time the pizza will hit him straight in the kisser."

Alex Ferguson

"On form, us and Chelsea are the two best team in the country. I don't even think Arsenal would argue with that."

What he meant: "We're better than you are, Frenchie. Do you want to make something of it?"

ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger

"Sometimes these game are very tight and sometimes they are very open. You just don't know."

What he meant: "Pay-per-view? Well, you really just don't know do you. It's like buying a pig-in-a-poke, isn't it?"

[Russ]

[sherer]

i just hope we get a ref strong enough to deal with the match.. i can see there being a few fouls in the first 5 mins and prob a sending off as well..

think it might be a 1-1 draw..

As Fergie has said the only real winners will be Chelsea

[Russ]

United Vs Arsenal isn't a proper game without the occasional pagga.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by sherer

i just hope we get a ref strong enough to deal with the match.. i can see there being a few fouls in the first 5 mins and prob a sending off as well..<snip>

Again according to The Guardian, neither Ferguson or Wenger will be too happy about it being Graham Poll:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...403014,00.html

[sherer]

it still amazes me that the managers always thing if a player falls over in the box it should be a pen..

Fergie says Poll should have given us a few pens in past games but if these incidents had happened in the 80s they wouldn't be screaming blue murder.. and if it had happened during Fergie's playing days he just would have got up and kicked the bloke that fouled him later on in the game

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Originally Posted by sherer

it still amazes me that the managers always thing if a player falls over in the box it should be a pen..

Fergie says Poll should have given us a few pens in past games but if these incidents had happened in the 80s they wouldn't be screaming blue murder.. and if it had happened during Fergie's playing days he just would have got up and kicked the bloke that fouled him later on in the game

So go on then, if someone fouls YOU in the box and you can stay on your feet, you still go down because quite frankly, you won't gain owt by not going down and you'll get a pen if you do.

Face it, the foreign players have catalysed the introduction of a "diving culture" into the indigenous players, and now the refs have been conned to the extent that they don't know when a player is fouled, and not only that but every mistake, every picodetail is analysed and regurgitated by pundits who know FA about refereeing and arrogant managers like Ferguson and Wenger who again, know FA about refereeing and merely use it to partially obscure the inadequacies of their sides.

And let's face it, we're all guilty of diving in the box occasionally whether there's contact or not.

[sir_drinks_alot]

i can see it going right down to the wire.with Arsenal winning 1-0 the sad thing is the games more about the managers than the players.

[iadom]

Well I suppose they are due, they haven't won a league game against United for almost 3 years.

[iadom]

Oh dear, its kicked of in the tunnel before the match.

[Marge]

I'm such a wuss I can't bear to watch the game

[Russ]

4-2!!! Woooooooooo!!!!

Who are Arsenal again??

[iadom]

That is not good for the nerves, what was Silvestre thinking of, the plonker.

Guess we did buy the right Ronaldo after all.

What about that dive from Cole in the first few minutes, Keane was a mile away from him, it looked like he was auditioning for the next John Smiths advert, Poll didn't book him becauase he was laughing too much.

[Marge]

What a fantastic result, maybe I'll be brave enough to watch the replay