All F1 2004 Discussions

[keithwalton]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

The "push to pass" button is also a "push to prevent being passed" button. It gives a boost to help overtaking OR to prevent other cars from overtaking you.

No it does not do the latter read my post please.
It stops the car hitting 'the wall' when in a slipstream it cannot prevent the car from being overtaken

[basa]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

No it does not do the latter read my post please.
It stops the car hitting 'the wall' when in a slipstream it cannot prevent the car from being overtaken

I think you miss ian's point.

If the lead car, suspecting he is about to be overtaken, hits the rev limiter button he can attain a few extra mph thus preventing an overtake. Of course if the chase car also hits his button all things are back equal again !!

hi graham
have you ever thought,schumacher could be better than barrichello because rubens doesn't have on his car what ever m shumacher has on his.ie illegal software.
and for the rest of you.
as for michael schumacher being the greatest driver of all time.
don't make me laugh,a driver who has to have it written into his contract that his team mate always as to defer to him.who's team mate isn't even allowed to overtake him.
a driver who's team go bitching to the stewards and the fia because the grooves on the opositions tyres are 0.5 of a millimetre to wide.
no schumacher isn't the greatest driver of all time,he just hasn't got the opposition he used to have since hakkinen jacked in and mclaren and williams lost the plot.
but i will agree on one thing ferrari have produced the best car for a long time.

[keithwalton]

Originally Posted by basa

I think you miss ian's point.

If the lead car, suspecting he is about to be overtaken, hits the rev limiter button he can attain a few extra mph thus preventing an overtake. Of course if the chase car also hits his button all things are back equal again !!

If you had read my post you would of found that the car would be setup not to hit its rev limiter under normal conditions, that would just be silly if it did.
On the otherhand when one car follows another one closely it's drag is greatly reduced so it can go faster much faster, around 10mph quicker if no limiter is hit. Hence the button temporarely disables the limiter allowing the car to go faster.

This is not just a ferrari thingy btw, Renault, Williams, BAR, Toyota, McLaren, Sauber all have it. The only ones im not sure about are Jordan, Jaguar and minardi (all ford engines)

K

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

No it does not do the latter read my post please.
It stops the car hitting 'the wall' when in a slipstream it cannot prevent the car from being overtaken

The "push to pass" button is a feature of Cart racing, not F1, where all the cars run the same Ford Cosworth turbocharged engine. It provides an extra 50 BHP for the duration of the press (approx 10 seconds) by increasing the turbo boost 2 to 3 inches and the driver has the use of this for 60 seconds during the race.

The so called "push to pass" in F1 is basically a fuel economy system that the cars use to conserve fuel during the race. Pushing the button increases fuel flow to the maximum and also advances the ignition by a couple of degrees.

Both the Cart and F1 systems can be used to assist passing AND help prevent being passed. The Cart system gives a bigger percentage speed improvement than the F1 system.

[basa]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

If you had read my post you would of found that the car would be setup not to hit its rev limiter under normal conditions, that would just be silly if it did.
On the otherhand when one car follows another one closely it's drag is greatly reduced so it can go faster much faster, around 10mph quicker if no limiter is hit. Hence the button temporarely disables the limiter allowing the car to go faster.

This is not just a ferrari thingy btw, Renault, Williams, BAR, Toyota, McLaren, Sauber all have it. The only ones im not sure about are Jordan, Jaguar and minardi (all ford engines)

K

I thought that's what I said ?? In order for any F1 car to go marginally faster for short periods the rev limiter is disabled (or adjusted up at least) via the steering wheel button.

The rev limiter usually has differing limits according to the gear selected and is useful for limiting revs on airborne cars and another setting for the pit lane.

[keithwalton]

Originally Posted by basa

I thought that's what I said ?? In order for any F1 car to go marginally faster for short periods the rev limiter is disabled (or adjusted up at least) via the steering wheel button.

The rev limiter usually has differing limits according to the gear selected and is useful for limiting revs on airborne cars and another setting for the pit lane.

I'm agreeing with you / backing up your statement.

Originally Posted by andy 1

have you ever thought,schumacher could be better than barrichello because rubens doesn't have on his car what ever m shumacher has on his.ie illegal software.

Have you ever considered that if you're going to make accusations like this it's a good idea to have some proof to back them up?

as for michael schumacher being the greatest driver of all time.
don't make me laugh,a driver who has to have it written into his contract that his team mate always as to defer to him.who's team mate isn't even allowed to overtake him.

Firstly AIUI the "no overtaking" contract condition was put in by Ferrari, not insisted on by Schumacher, because it makes no sense for the team to risk losing both drivers in a stupid accident when they can have a 1-2 instead. Secondly such "team orders" are now illegal anyway.

a driver who's team go bitching to the stewards and the fia because the grooves on the opositions tyres are 0.5 of a millimetre to wide.

So it's the team, not the driver? I suggest you look at the history of F1 and notice the number of times that there have been complaints by one team about another's car infringing some rule by a fraction of a millimetre.

no schumacher isn't the greatest driver of all time,he just hasn't got the opposition he used to have since hakkinen jacked in and mclaren and williams lost the plot.

Err, if his success is all down to that, how come he managed to win all those *previous* F1 championships...?

[paulyoung666]

and another point , which teams were d'qed for illegally sized brake ducts recently , ok it wasnt ferrari but dont you think that if they had them then they would have been

Or maybe the brake ducts issue was just down to incometence of other teams.

Maybe Ferarri are just good at hiding things?

Ever the heard the story (which was proven true and admitted) in the 80's where a NASCAR team were running a nitros engine but no one knew because the roll cage was in fact the gas cylinder. In the end the team that did it owned up because NASCAR ripped so many of their cars appart and found diddy squat every time.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by gary_580

Or maybe the brake ducts issue was just down to incometence of other teams.

Maybe Ferarri are just good at hiding things?

Ever the heard the story (which was proven true and admitted) in the 80's where a NASCAR team were running a nitros engine but no one knew because the roll cage was in fact the gas cylinder. In the end the team that did it owned up because NASCAR ripped so many of their cars appart and found diddy squat every time.

any more conspiracy theories


so the nascar team owned up because nascar couldnt find anything wrong

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

so the nascar team owned up because nascar couldnt find anything wrong

You can cheat and not be found out, but if your spending 100's of hours each week putting that cars back together is it worth it? This was in the days before it was big money.

[ian@huth]

F1 is a big money business with the ten teams spending over £1.3 billion a season. The teams watch each other like hawks trying to find that extra bit that could give them an advantage including putting spies in other teams camps. It would take tremendous effort to cheat and avoid being found out by the other teams and official scrutineers. If there was any cheating going on there would be a queue of whistle blowers waiting to pick up the thousands or millions that they would get by revealing all.

It is obvious to anyone that there are five main areas that determine who wins. Technical research, strategy planning, engineering reliability, driver ability and teamwork. Ayone who suggests that there is a sixth area, cheating, is talking out of the back of their head. You have only to look at the qualifying lap times of the top teams to realise that there is only a fraction of a second between the fastest which, to me based on this years race outcomes, suggest that Ferrari have the top driver and the best strategists.

Originally Posted by ianathuth

F1 is a big money business with the ten teams spending over £1.3 billion a season. The teams watch each other like hawks trying to find that extra bit that could give them an advantage including putting spies in other teams camps. It would take tremendous effort to cheat and avoid being found out by the other teams and official scrutineers. If there was any cheating going on there would be a queue of whistle blowers waiting to pick up the thousands or millions that they would get by revealing all.

It is obvious to anyone that there are five main areas that determine who wins. Technical research, strategy planning, engineering reliability, driver ability and teamwork. Ayone who suggests that there is a sixth area, cheating, is talking out of the back of their head. You have only to look at the qualifying lap times of the top teams to realise that there is only a fraction of a second between the fastest which, to me based on this years race outcomes, suggest that Ferrari have the top driver and the best strategists.

ermm but the grid can be manipulated by increasing the fuel load during practice to hide the extra speed. Then of course the extra fuel comes in handy at the start of the race.

However im not saying anyone is cheating. At the end of the day Ferarri have the only decent driver, and have bought the rest of the top guys from other teams over a period of time and assembled what has to be considered about the best team possible.

Its the same as any sport if you pay enough you will get the top people and win the top prizes. Therefore money = trophies

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by gary_580

ermm but the grid can be manipulated by increasing the fuel load during practice to hide the extra speed. Then of course the extra fuel comes in handy at the start of the race.

However im not saying anyone is cheating. At the end of the day Ferarri have the only decent driver, and have bought the rest of the top guys from other teams over a period of time and assembled what has to be considered about the best team possible.

Its the same as any sport if you pay enough you will get the top people and win the top prizes. Therefore money = trophies

so button or montoya or coulthard or raikonnen in a ferrari wouldnt win then