BNP loses seats

[Escapee]

Well here's my 2 pence worth, and I guess I will probably end up with the term racist thrown at me again when that is untrue.

I think as others have said the BNP have gained seats because the majority of people in this country look at people working on the minimum wage and getting by only to see money thrown at people who seek asylum in this country. Many asylum seekers make the extra effort to get to the UK because they are wrongly under the impression that the streets are paved with gold.

I just say things as I see them, and a person scrounging/cheating the system of money that you and I paid in are all the same as far as I am concerned. Now before you all go ands flame me I would like to say that I realise there are genuine cases of people persecuted in other countries, I am personally involved with someone from a country (South Africa) who has seen it from the other side with people being beaten on the streets and families putting their money together to get the younger generation ou of that terrible mess. This person has had their own family memebers arrested and on one occassion apparently tortured and killed by the government, which was apparently a common occurance for anyone who did not stand in line.

BTW this friend is not a scrounger/assylum seeker, she is in this country paying a large amount of money each year to study at university. she does however not agree with the way this government is allowing hoards of people into this country, and she confirmed as a foreigner herself that the opinion is that the UK is paved with gold. She has a relative working for the local authority in London dealing with asylum seekers and she has many stories to tell, including that a large number are actually working in factories using forged National Insurance numbers. It is claimed that the government is turning a blind eye to this practice and they are not worried because of the shortage of factory sweatshop fodder and they are getting the Tax and NI from these employers/employees anyway, so why would they care?

The failure of government in this country to act effieiently in these matters is the main reason that parties like the BNP get votes. I guess many of you noticed that the government kept saying that there was not a problem with asylum seekers, and then turned around and have admitted how bad things are when they could not keep it under wraps any longer.

The namby pamby doo-gooders are playing into the BNP's hands

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Escapee

The failure of government in this country to act effieiently in these matters is the main reason that parties like the BNP get votes................................... The namby pamby doo-gooders are playing into the BNP's hands

Yay, back on topic, thanks Escapee.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that I can't see what a difference having the BNP in control as they can only work by the same laws that we have in place for our current government.

People like Defiant banging on about closing a door, and keeping them all out is just silly ness, because if it was that easy the surely the current government would bolt the door now and get all the good publicity from it.

There are international/national laws that we must work to (for good reason), I just cant see what the thugs at the BNP will do to change the situation.

I do agree with you and Defiant (thats want I want an apology for, your accusations that it will please me that loads are being let in when I have clearly state that isn't my view all along) that things need to change but noone seems to be able to tell me how (not even the BNPs website) they intend to change things

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by dellwear

Yay, back on topic, thanks Escapee.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that I can't see what a difference having the BNP in control as they can only work by the same laws that we have in place for our current government.

People like Defiant banging on about closing a door, and keeping them all out is just silly ness, because if it was that easy the surely the current government would bolt the door now and get all the good publicity from it.

There are international/national laws that we must work to (for good reason), I just cant see what the thugs at the BNP will do to change the situation.

I do agree with you and Defiant (thats want I want an apology for, your accusations that it will please me that loads are being let in when I have clearly state that isn't my view all along) that things need to change but noone seems to be able to tell me how (not even the BNPs website) they intend to change things

I think the current and former goverment are actually afraid to close the door because they fear it will cost them votes come election time, wher the BNP would probably gain more votes by offering to do this from people who do not share racist views but are sick and tired of the current situation.

I find it very interesting when these discussions come up in the work place, because the vast majority say they are against these people gaining access to this country. I guess if we were to have a vote it could be the case, but how many of the people gaining access to this country during the last generation or so would vote against letting more people in here I wonder.

I do have sympathy for people who are treated badly, but we can't go around labelling people as "racist" because they are against these issues. I consider the two issues to be entirely separate in my opinion anyway, that's why I was appalled in an earlier discussion on the .com site that I was branded a racist for speaking my views.

As a little side issue to the racist bit, my friend said racist is not such a big issue in South Africa these days but tribal differences are more common.
It's a common label/misconception that you have to be a different colour to be racist!

Originally Posted by aliferste

So please tell me how it will "kick off"

Honestly then.....TELL ME!!!!!

WHAT will you DO to have your voice heard???

Ive told you time and time again why people seek asylum in this country.......you are now talking about people and skills coming to this country!

Have you actually got a clue??

No it you that hasn't got a clue. Why dont you sod off to some island and ask all the scrounger's to go with you.

The far right nearly got into power in France not long back. People have had enough of it and prats like you that think we should have every fecker over here.

This ****e is not going away its getting closer because their's more and more being allowed to stay here and its us the taxpayer folking out for it all

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

No it you that hasn't got a clue. Why dont you sod off to some island and ask all the scrounger's to go with you.

The far right nearly got into power in France not long back. People have had enough of it and prats like you that think we should have every fecker over here.

This ****e is not going away its getting closer because their's more and more being allowed to stay here and its us the taxpayer folking out for it all

This is exactly what I mean, you cant give any answers so you resort to name calling.

Originally Posted by dellwear

This is exactly what I mean, you cant give any answers so you resort to name calling.

I'm just answering a wish arse and instead of muttering on all the time about answer like I said before find them out yourself. You think I'm your researcher or something

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

I'm just answering a wish arse and instead of muttering on all the time about answer like I said before find them out yourself. You think I'm your researcher or something

D, so what your saying is you think we should all vote BNP but you don't know why! That'll be the blokes down the pub talking then

Originally Posted by dellwear

D, so what your saying is you think we should all vote BNP but you don't know why! That'll be the blokes down the pub talking then

I know why I'll be voting for them and thats to stop the flood of scrounger's taking money which should be going on Schools,NHS,OAP's etc



Anyhow like I've said it happening NOW. Europe are ahead of us for now though ( France and Austria )

AUSTRIA yesterday passed the toughest asylum laws in Europe - giving refugees just 72 hours to prove their right to stay.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

I know why I'll be voting for them and thats to stop the flood of scrounger's taking money which should be going on Schools,NHS,OAP's etc

Again I ask you HOW are they going to do this??

Their site says:

"The first thing a BNP government would do is to stop all further mass immigration into Britain"

But there is no mention of HOW, anywhere on their site. Surely if you are voting for them you will want to know how they intend to fix the problem??

http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html#immigration

Originally Posted by dellwear

Again I ask you HOW are they going to do this??

Their site says:

"The first thing a BNP government would do is to stop all further mass immigration into Britain"

But there is no mention of HOW, anywhere on their site. Surely if you are voting for them you will want to know how they intend to fix the problem??

http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html#immigration

Well I think that’s self explanatory. More security at ports and those caught KICKED on the first plane out.


Other potential scrounger’s would soon get to hear it’s a waste of time trying to sneak in then

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Well I think thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s self explanatory. More security at ports and those caught KICKED on the first plane out.

Your fond of kicking people aren't you!

The thing you seem to have glossed over is, you can't just stop people coming in, you have to allow them to apply for asylum, that's international law.

International law is there for a reason, and we have to stick by it, that's not the answer to our problems. Like I said earlier, if it was, do you not think that the current government would have done it by now.

These issues are complicated, and need complicated policy's to alter them, not just "were gonna stop them coming it". You need to decide how and create policy's do do what you think is right.

I don't see any forthcoming from the BNP, so I don't see how they will change things!

Originally Posted by dellwear

Your fond of kicking people aren't you!

The thing you seem to have glossed over is, you can't just stop people coming in, you have to allow them to apply for asylum, that's international law.

International law is there for a reason, and we have to stick by it, that's not the answer to our problems. Like I said earlier, if it was, do you not think that the current government would have done it by now.

These issues are complicated, and need complicated policy's to alter them, not just "were gonna stop them coming it". You need to decide how and create policy's do do what you think is right.

I don't see any forthcoming from the BNP, so I don't see how they will change things!

International law is being abused everyday like the immigrants queuing up in France, Holland trying to get over here. Mind you I wouldn't like it in those dangerous countries

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

No it you that hasn't got a clue. Why dont you sod off to some island and ask all the scrounger's to go with you.

The far right nearly got into power in France not long back. People have had enough of it and prats like you that think we should have every fecker over here.

This ****e is not going away its getting closer because their's more and more being allowed to stay here and its us the taxpayer folking out for it all

My only consolation is that you are not intelligent enough to gain any position of any significance.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Well I think that?s self explanatory. More security at ports and those caught KICKED on the first plane out.


Other potential scrounger?s would soon get to hear it?s a waste of time trying to sneak in then

Please see post 255!

Originally Posted by aliferste

My only consolation is that you are not intelligent enough to gain any position of any significance.

And lucky I'm not retarded like you. Look around and smell the coffee. Do gooders make me sick