Election 2019 - Week 3

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

ahem take you forgot on purpose the islamophobia from Boris and he went back on enquiry promise he made live on tv both parties have very big issues with racism

I addressed that in my post. Boris does not suffer with Islamaphobia and will not tolerate that in others. I've addressed the 'letterbox women' issue. That was not Islamaphobia. You need to read the article.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Whereas Labour continue to ignore anti-Semitism, which is a far bigger problem. The inquiry is being set up, I understand.

It's actually a lesser problem by any quantitative measure. It's on the news less though, mainly because anti-Semitism is a stick conveniently used to beat the Labour party.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The actual Prime Minister has made islamophic statements. How much closer to the top do you want?

Which statements are you referring to?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Which statements are you referring to?

The letterboxes one. For a start.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The letterboxes one. For a start.

Which I have addressed. Next...?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Which I have addressed. Next...?

It's islamophic. The fact you made an excuse for it is irrelevant.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It's islamophic. The fact you made an excuse for it is irrelevant.

So that is the best you can do? Read the article and get this in context. This was not an issue of being against Islam (which does not require women to wear burkas), it was against the practice by which some men try to control their women.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So that is the best you can do? Read the article and get this in context. This was not an issue of being against Islam (which does not require women to wear burkas), it was against the practice by which some men try to control their women.

A man of his expensive education would have been able to articulate himself better if that was actually true.

I don't need to see it through your rose tinted spectacles to know that, at all costs, you will defend the Conservative party.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The problem in the Labour Party is that anti-Semitism comes from the top and doesn't appear to be addressed.

The difference is that the Conservative Party is addressing the issue of Islamaphobia wherever it occurs and it is reported. The trouble is that some people take remarks such as those made by Boris when he talked about 'letterbox' women, ignoring the fact that he said those things to pour scorn on those men who forced their wives and daughters to dress in that way. That is more to do with men bullying women into doing their bidding than it is with religion. If you doubt that, then read the whole article instead of relying on sound bites.

Not really as members of the conservative party have expressed that islamophobia is also prevalent at the top.

Both parties have declared that the respective issues in their parties will not be tolerated and yet both parties seem to be doing little to nothing to sort out the issues.

I'm not here to profess that the Tories are dealing with it better than Labour or vice versa. They're both as bad as each other

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

The letterboxes one. For a start.

How is that Islamophobic? It was just making the obvious visual comparison. People make comments on different clothing and appearances all the time.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

New Labour are part of the 40 years of failure that has accumulated 2 trillion pounds of debt with no plans to pay it back. Older generations are leaving younger generations with this burden round their necks.

We need a genuine alternative to the neo-liberal capitalist status quo which has no answers for the genuine problems this country faces.

OK, for starters can you stop blaming me (as part of the older generation) for something I haven't done.

Secondly, what do you (with a self confessed greater understanding of economics) suggest as a 'genuine alternative' to what is currently on offer from both Lab & Cons . . or even Lib Dems?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Both parties have declared that the respective issues in their parties will not be tolerated and yet both parties seem to be doing little to nothing to sort out the issues.

I'm not here to profess that the Tories are dealing with it better than Labour or vice versa. They're both as bad as each other

Probably about the most sensible thing Ive read in the last four pages of drivel.

Move on people, this constant digging at each other has been done to death now, no more needed.

[Carth]

So hopefully we can all agree that:

* They all tell porkies, always have done.
* They're all promising to spend money they haven't got, and probably never will have unless they decimate the UK.
* There are 'racist' undertones of one description or another in the main parties, and possibly underlying in the others too.


Right, glad that's out of the way then

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Carth

OK, for starters can you stop blaming me (as part of the older generation) for something I haven't done.

Individuals no, but collectively yes. Maybe not consciously, but politicians took one off windfalls from privatisation and squandered it leaving us where we are today. 2 trillion in debt.

I'm interested in how 2 trillion is sustainable but 2.2 trillion and holding state assets - like broadband networks - isn't.

Secondly, what do you (with a self confessed greater understanding of economics) suggest as a 'genuine alternative' to what is currently on offer from both Lab & Cons . . or even Lib Dems?

The starting point is for politicians to be honest that the low tax economy is essentially a deception funded from one off windfalls.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

Individuals no, but collectively yes. Maybe not consciously, but politicians took one off windfalls from privatisation and squandered it leaving us where we are today. 2 trillion in debt.

I'm interested in how 2 trillion is sustainable but 2.2 trillion and holding state assets - like broadband networks - isn't.



The starting point is for politicians to be honest that the low tax economy is essentially a deception funded from one off windfalls.

Voters have to take some of the blame here not just politicians. We want tax cuts and increased spending on public services. We're conning ourselves and vote for those that promise the impossible.