All F1 2005 Discussions

[Chrysalis]

When did the refuelling start, I started watching F1 in the days of damon hill and refuellign existed then, I always thought it was essential due to max tank size. I guess the tanks were deliberatly reduced when refuelling was brought in?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

When did the refuelling start, I started watching F1 in the days of damon hill and refuellign existed then, I always thought it was essential due to max tank size. I guess the tanks were deliberatly reduced when refuelling was brought in?

there was a ban on refueling, which was lifted in 1994, I'm not sure when it started

http://www.f1.panasonic.com/en/notes...s_quiz_01.html

[sherer]

yes they used to have it in the 50s but even then i think some races didn't have it then it was banned in the 60s i think and came back in 94

[j52c]

Hi.

Did you see the appalling behaviour of Max Mosley and some of the drivers during the one minutes silence before the race today.

Also, not to mention other things like someone starting an engine.

Again, appalling.

[keithwalton]

one thing i think should change is the drivers pay packet. The likes of schumacher get paid way to much. It should go back to the true meaning of grand prix (big prize).
Drivers wages should be cap'd by the fia to a sensible amount which the driver can live off (a million would do just fine) then have a large cash reward for winning a race, much smaller one for 2nd, 3rd etc and another for pole.
Say a million for the win, 1/2 mill for second and 1/3mill for 3rd. and say 250k for pole position.

Should provide incentive to win at least. The money should be coughed up by the teams and put into a pool of money and the contribution per team should be based upon there performance (previous year, on current would have to be decided).
Ferrari alone would save ~40 mil+ a year and so would most of the other teams. So there is the funds swirling around.
Win all races in the year and be on pole at every race and the driver would net 25 million + wage. So ~26mil, not to different to how much mr schumacher gets paid!

[sherer]

Originally Posted by j52c

Hi.

Did you see the appalling behaviour of Max Mosley and some of the drivers during the one minutes silence before the race today.

Also, not to mention other things like someone starting an engine.

Again, appalling.

yeah i saw that... 60 seconds isn't much to ask for

JV was joking with someone.. Bernie and Max were talking as well

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by keithwalton

one thing i think should change is the drivers pay packet. The likes of schumacher get paid way to much. It should go back to the true meaning of grand prix (big prize).
Drivers wages should be cap'd by the fia to a sensible amount which the driver can live off (a million would do just fine) then have a large cash reward for winning a race, much smaller one for 2nd, 3rd etc and another for pole.
Say a million for the win, 1/2 mill for second and 1/3mill for 3rd. and say 250k for pole position.

Should provide incentive to win at least. The money should be coughed up by the teams and put into a pool of money and the contribution per team should be based upon there performance (previous year, on current would have to be decided).
Ferrari alone would save ~40 mil+ a year and so would most of the other teams. So there is the funds swirling around.
Win all races in the year and be on pole at every race and the driver would net 25 million + wage. So ~26mil, not to different to how much mr schumacher gets paid!

Not all F1 drivers get a "wage", some of them have to pay to be able to take part.

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Not all F1 drivers get a "wage", some of them have to pay to be able to take part.

Really?

Didn't realise that? Which drivers are paying to compete?

[MovedGoalPosts]

Some of the lesser drivers dont' necessarily get paid by the team. However the drivers themselves may have their own sponsorship deals which pays the tdriver, and in turn also pays the team.

Not that long ago, one of the bright young Brits was selling shares in himself so that that could pay his wage and allow himself to compete.

[Raistlin]

Ah right, I see.

I just took it for granted that the teams payed the drivers and that was it.

[ian@huth]

Some of the smaller teams, Minardi is the prime example, don't have the cash to pay drivers. They rely on young drivers willing to race for nothing in order to get them into F1. They often have to bring sponsorship with them in order to get their chance. These are drivers who want to get into F1 but would never be able to do so on ability alone.

[Raistlin]

K. Thanks

[Matth]

Part of Minardi's problem... a driver who can bring in reasonable sponsorship is worth more to them than a driver who may well be better, but has less sponsorship potential.

It amazes me, how Minardi have outlasted several teams who were without doubt better than them, i nfact, it amazes me how, or even why they carry on ... back in the days when F1 wasn't regulated to death, Minadis often pulled of some early points, as they would typically be running last year's well tried machine against the big name's highly-strung high tech.

[Graham]

It's interesting to note that nobody's actually said anything about the Silverstone Grand Prix.

But there again, that's because it was frankly pretty damn boring!

Originally Posted by Graham

It's interesting to note that nobody's actually said anything about the Silverstone Grand Prix.

But there again, that's because it was frankly pretty damn boring!

I wish I could say you were wrong, Graham - did you watch the Champ Car race later - much more exiting, even if it was unfair for Paul Tracey - also the moto gp at Laguna Seca was on, as well, awesome racing - the 'formula 1' bubble is burst, isn't it...