Brexit (Old)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Brexit aside the Brazil result is quite worrying and it's a good thing about the UK that these people find it so hard to get anywhere.

Quite worrying seeing these bunch of extremists being let off as "the will of the people" by other forum contributors.

But back to Brexit. Very worrying to see that the UK has only rolled over 14 of the 236 international treaties that the EU has signed with countries around the world. Perturbing if Britain leaves the EU without a deal.
These 236 treaties cover key issues beyond trade eg airlines’ take-off and landing rights at overseas airports, as well as industries like nuclear power, financial services and fisheries.

Here's how a foreign country might well react:
"I have a treaty with the EU. Now the UK wants a separate treaty with me on the same terms. Doh! My country made many concessions to the EU because of its massive single market. Why should I make the same concessions to the UK which is a fraction of the size of the EU's? Especially when other similarly-sized countries would then ask me for the same deal.
Nope, it's the UK's turn to offer me some concessions over and above the EU deal. Some of the concessions the UK needs to make are far more work permits for IT programmers from my country, visa-free travel for tourists visiting the UK and relaxing of financial reporting and maybe a ten-year freeze on the minimum wage? How about it Liam?"

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You forgot the Remain option

I thought the people’s vote was no t reverse the referendum but vote on how we leave?


Cue Candi Lauper, “ True colours”

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I thought the people’s vote was no t reverse the referendum but vote on how we leave?


Cue Candi Lauper, “ True colours”

More like: Simple Minds "Promised You A Miracle"

Here's some bedtime reading for you:

Our 'Roadmap to a People's Vote' report lays out exactly how we can achieve a People's Vote.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Quite worrying seeing these bunch of extremists being let off as "the will of the people" by other forum contributors.

Errr, but it is. They’re not being let off but if they want to elect Satan himself that’s they’re right. I can see the Democracy you want to live in.....doesn’t look much like a democracy though. But now at least I fully understand that you don’t care about Democracy, which is ........quite worrying.

But back to Brexit. Very worrying to see that the UK has only rolled over 14 of the 236 international treaties that the EU has signed with countries around the world. Perturbing if Britain leaves the EU without a deal.
These 236 treaties cover key issues beyond trade eg airlines’ take-off and landing rights at overseas airports, as well as industries like nuclear power, financial services and fisheries.

. But these would be sorted out duration the transition?

All we’re negotiating now is the withdrawal, we’re not expected to have everything sorted out in 5 months, far from it. I thought as a well informed person on the subject you would know this?

Originally Posted by ianch99

More like: Simple Minds "Promised You A Miracle"

Here's some bedtime reading for you:

Our 'Roadmap to a People's Vote' report lays out exactly how we can achieve a People's Vote.

I don’t know you as person, but you portray yourself, on herevat least, as one deluded individual.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Errr, but it is. They’re not being let off but if they want to elect Satan himself that’s they’re right. I can see the Democracy you want to live in.....doesn’t look much like a democracy though. But now at least I fully understand that you don’t care about Democracy, which is ........quite worrying.


. But these would be sorted out duration the transition?

All we’re negotiating now is the withdrawal, we’re not expected to have everything sorted out in 5 months, far from it. I thought as a well informed person on the subject you would know this?


I don’t know you as person, but you portray yourself, on herevat least, as one deluded individual.

Why thank you, very kind. Must be the excessive drinking ..

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Why thank you, very kind. Must be the excessive drinking ..

Well don’t drink so much then.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well don’t drink so much then.

I don't, I keep spilling most of it

Originally Posted by Pierre

I thought the people’s vote was no t reverse the referendum but vote on how we leave?


Cue Candi Lauper, “ True colours”

And on a scale of 1 - infinity, how deceitful is this now ?

Sick of the bullshit hypocrisy in this thread by a few of the Remainers. Accusations of deceit of Brexit campaigners from them and yet here we have the same accusers, engaging in deceit. Pathetic.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Errr, but it is. They’re not being let off but if they want to elect Satan himself that’s they’re right. I can see the Democracy you want to live in.....doesn’t look much like a democracy though. But now at least I fully understand that you don’t care about Democracy, which is ........quite worrying.

They're being let off because they were not disqualified from being elected! Letting politicians off the hook with a terrible track record in human rights weakens democracy.
But if we adopt such a laissez-faire attitude to good governance, then it's natural to look the other way at the dark money and troll farms that contributed - in what way we don't know - to the Brexit outcome.
(I accept that many on this forum will say they're not influenced by advertising or social media.)

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

And on a scale of 1 - infinity, how deceitful is this now ?

Sick of the bullshit hypocrisy in this thread by a few of the Remainers. Accusations of deceit of Brexit campaigners from them and yet here we have the same accusers, engaging in deceit. Pathetic.

What deceit?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

What deceit?

Originally Posted by Angua

You do realise this is a petition to have a final say on what deal we have for Brexit. Not a rescind Brexit vote.

Originally Posted by ianch99

You forgot the Remain option

Square that circle?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

And on a scale of 1 - infinity, how deceitful is this now ?

Sick of the bullshit hypocrisy in this thread by a few of the Remainers. Accusations of deceit of Brexit campaigners from them and yet here we have the same accusers, engaging in deceit. Pathetic.

I think it's commonly accepted that the Government's 2016 pamphlet portrayed a very worst-case scenario and that some of the Leavers like Liam "easiest deal ever" were economical with the truth.
I've not seen on this forum posted by those who voted remain (like me, denphone, Damien, Hugh, Mr K, ianch99, Angua, etc) that makes any of us deceitful. Irritating? Doubtless

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

What do you do about goods coming in and out of Ireland (and the EU) if there is no border and we're not in a Customs Union?

If there is no customs union and there is no border, we pay for goods coming in and collect payment for goods going to Ireland.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I thought the people’s vote was no t reverse the referendum but vote on how we leave?

Cue Candi Lauper, “ True colours”

I'm not sure what's going on here. The post attributed to me is one of ian's.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

More like: Simple Minds "Promised You A Miracle"

Here's some bedtime reading for you:

Our 'Roadmap to a People's Vote' report lays out exactly how we can achieve a People's Vote.

Quote taken from the Foreword of the linked article (PDF) . .

"Our conclusions are that the die is not irrevocably cast, there is still time and, until the UK has left the EU, the Article 50 letter can be withdrawn."

Further on it goes on to say if Article 50 is withdrawn, we will stay in the EU as things were . . . until such time as . . *yawn* you guessed it.

Doesn't sound like a 'peoples vote on the deal we get' to me, it looks suspiciously like 'Vote to remain in the EU'

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