Brexit discussion

[Dave42]

now that a Transition period had some agreements hopefully the ultra brexstremists and ultra remainers can calm down and let a common sense deal be done as they always had to be compromise on both sides

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

now that a Transition period had some agreements hopefully the ultra brexstremists and ultra remainers can calm down and let a common sense deal be done as they always had to be compromise on both sides

Indeed childish unintelligent name calling by those in this country who should know better Dave as all l wanted was a fair reasonable deal for all and to do that there has to be give and take and compromise on both sides.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed childish unintelligent name calling by those in this country who should know better Dave as all l wanted was a fair reasonable deal for all and to do that there has to be give and take and compromise on both sides.

exactly

[jonbxx]

The full text is here, nicely colour coded with green meaning agreed, yellow meaning agreed but wording not finalised and white meaning not agreed - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...t_coloured.pdf

The good news is that there's a hell of a lot of green. On a brief run through, the biggest white sections seem to be;

• Intellectual property rights including regional designations (cornish pasties, parma ham, etc.)
• Mutual recognition of police and judiciary including sharing of arrest and conviction information
• What happens if the agreement is broken (the ECJ question)
• Northern Ireland

The last one is the stinker of course but generally good to see movement

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

In actual fact, the Brexiteers have welcomed this achievement, Andrew.

No one has said otherwise, Old Boy. Like you and other moderate Brexiters, i welcome it. The rest of your post ignores the reality of the vassal state we will be in post Brexit for a period of time. Stating Theresa May won't accept it is too late as she has signed it! You need to face up to the reality of the situation Old Boy. Pretending it's not been signed won't cut the mustard, be it French or English.
The fisheries quotas won't alter if we want to sell our fish to the EU. They hold the trump cards and have linkled the two. So we will have to fit in with them if we want our fishermen to remain in business.
No amount of magic will solve the Irish border situation. The only solutions are concessions from the EU or UK/DUP. I see you've faced up to the reality that technology won't solve the situation and that some form of single market agreement might work and on this we agree.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one has said otherwise, Old Boy. Like you and other moderate Brexiters, i welcome it. The rest of your post ignores the reality of the vassal state we will be in post Brexit for a period of time. Stating Theresa May won't accept it is too late as she has signed it! You need to face up to the reality of the situation Old Boy. Pretending it's not been signed won't cut the mustard, be it French or English.
The fisheries quotas won't alter if we want to sell our fish to the EU. They hold the trump cards and have linkled the two. So we will have to fit in with them if we want our fishermen to remain in business.
No amount of magic will solve the Irish border situation. The only solutions are concessions from the EU or UK/DUP. I see you've faced up to the reality that technology won't solve the situation and that some form of single market agreement might work and on this we agree.

Thank you for misrepresenting my views, Andrew. I can't believe you just said that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Thank you for misrepresenting my views, Andrew. I can't believe you just said that.

I'm very sorry if you feel that's the case but it was never my intention to do such a thing. I felt that we were actually both agreeing on a few things, for a change.

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Interesting article from Jonathan Powell, the UK's chief of staff and chief negotiator in Northern Ireland from 1997 to 2007 and one of the architects of the Good Friday Agreement. He slates both Labour's and the Government's proposals and concludes:

Theresa May’s speech may have temporarily united the Tory party, but it has not solved the substantive problems. Indeed, her problems on Brexit may only just have begun and it may turn out that the insoluble problem of the Northern Ireland border is the issue that finally brings the entire negotiation crashing down.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8263731.html

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Brextremists Leave mean Leave are either moaning again or making good points, depending on your viewpoint.

While there has clearly been some commendable progress, we are very concerned over the Northern Ireland backstop proposal. This is a dreadful way of negotiating. Just weeks ago, the prime minister said ‘no UK prime minister could ever agree to this’. Once again we appear to have caved in.

This is totally unnecessary and UK negotiators must insist that this is removed from the text.

We also have serious concerns over the proposals for our fishing waters.

Under the current plans, we will not be taking back control of our fisheries when we leave the EU – something which the government had previously promised.

[1andrew1]

Looks like I was right about the deal not going down well with the Brextremists!

Jacob Rees-Mogg to fling fish from trawler on Thames in protest for fishermen 'betrayed' by May's Brexit deal Theresa May is facing a Brexit backlash from Tory MPs over her "abject betrayal" of Britain's fishermen with rebels planning a fishing boat protest on the Thames.
Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of a 60-strong group of Eurosceptic Conservative MPs, and others are due to board a boat and pass by Parliament throwing fish into the Thames in protest at the alleged “sellout”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...est-fishermen/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Looks like I was right about the deal not going down well with the Brextremists!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...est-fishermen/

It's just theatrical, to keep the eyes focussed on what is important, Andrew. In fact, the Brexit negotiations have resulted in safeguards in respect of these quotas and we will be firmly in charge after the transitional period.

EDIT: According to BBC News:

■ The UK's share of fishing catch will be guaranteed during transition but UK will effectively remain part of the Common Fisheries Policy, yet without a direct say in its rules, until the end of 2020.

The mad drunk, Juncker congratulates Putin on his re-election....

https://twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/976061272293871616


I cannot quite believe he sent that arse licking letter. (Well, actually I can). It's a big "Up yours" to the British re recent Salisbury attack.

[jonbxx]

Jean Clause Juncker did indeed congratulate Putin on his re-election. As did the leaders of Germany, France, China, Italy, Saudi Arabia, India, Hungary and Turkey.

EU statement on the Salisbury attack by the way - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...ury-attack/pdf

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Jean Clause Juncker did indeed congratulate Putin on his re-election. As did the leaders of Germany, France, China, Italy, Saudi Arabia, India, Hungary and Turkey.

EU statement on the Salisbury attack by the way - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...ury-attack/pdf

I must say the ballot box stuffing was exceptional .

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I must say the ballot box stuffing was exceptional .

It was totally dodgy, yes! And the Russian people keep coming back for more, it's such a different mentality to leadership there but we're wandering off topic...

Originally Posted by Mick

The mad drunk, Juncker congratulates Putin on his re-election....

https://twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/976061272293871616


I cannot quite believe he sent that arse licking letter. (Well, actually I can). It's a big "Up yours" to the British re recent Salisbury attack.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Jean Clause Juncker did indeed congratulate Putin on his re-election. As did the leaders of Germany, France, China, Italy, Saudi Arabia, India, Hungary and Turkey.

EU statement on the Salisbury attack by the way - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...ury-attack/pdf

And the President of the USA...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/trum...-election.html

"I had a call with President Putin and congratulated him on the victory, his electoral victory," Trump said later Tuesday.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And the President of the USA...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/trum...-election.html

Why am I not surprised?