[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Disregard the politicians altogether. Your heart is motivating you to leave because your own experience has led you to be anti-EU in the past.

Trust your own judgement; remain is actually the riskier option. In Europe no-one can hear you scream .

The reasons I had for wanting to leave are gone now, the polish are here and here to stay, they're not going back regardless of what happens and their so integrated in our ways that the problems of them depressing wages aren't as bad as they used to be when it was pretty much just me and sparkle banging on about it on here, then was the time to act not now, it's to late and I certainly wasn't relying on politicians I was just hoping they could put forward a case to turn me back from remaining.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It's a sad day when politicians put their comfy future billet ahead of the good of their country. Pretty close to treason in my books.

The way we were lied to and sold down the river at the last referendum was treason! Same with how Cameron is lying to us now!

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Interesting reads on this site:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well I think the rich and powerful of the world all have the same interests and long term agenda at heart, it's just a question of scale. With the world's population rising fast, the only way they'll be able to secure their lifestyles is for the real power and wealth to be increasingly shared between a small elite at the expense of the rest. At the very top, few of them are going to freely relinquish their private estates, jets, yachts, luxury homes etc. in order that the likes of us have a slightly better life.

The subject of another thread, however...

Actually it isn't.

Many (if not all) of the real leaders behind the EU, see the United States of Europe as a precursor and stepping stone to a world government, as do the people who want to integrate America, South America and Canada. Their aim is the death of individual sovereign countries.

Many of the high ranking EU people, Pro-EU British politicians, high level financiers and other heads of state, are regular attendees of the secretive Bilderberg group, who have a globalist agenda, with elites running the show.

The out of work British senior politicians, getting jobs within the EU, is just a case of the EU 'looking after their own'.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The reasons I had for wanting to leave are gone now, the polish are here and here to stay, they're not going back regardless of what happens and their so integrated in our ways that the problems of them depressing wages aren't as bad as they used to be when it was pretty much just me and sparkle banging on about it on here, then was the time to act not now, it's to late and I certainly wasn't relying on politicians I was just hoping they could put forward a case to turn me back from remaining.

Fair enough, the decision is for each individual. I only hope our finest hour isn't about to be missed.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Actually it isn't.

Many (if not all) of the real leaders behind the EU, see the United States of Europe as a precursor and stepping stone to a world government, as do the people who want to integrate America, South America and Canada. Their aim is the death of individual sovereign countries.

Many of the high ranking EU people, Pro-EU British politicians, high level financiers and other heads of state, are regular attendees of the secretive Bilderberg group, who have a globalist agenda, with elites running the show.

The out of work British senior politicians, getting jobs within the EU, is just a case of the EU 'looking after their own'.

Tin foil hats on standby ..

[Osem]

All the EU is doing is creating waves of migrants, each of which tends to undercut the previous lot. When the Turks are added to the mix there'll be a real backlash if there hasn't already been one...

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Actually it isn't.

Many (if not all) of the real leaders behind the EU, see the United States of Europe as a precursor and stepping stone to a world government, as do the people who want to integrate America, South America and Canada. Their aim is the death of individual sovereign countries.

Many of the high ranking EU people, Pro-EU British politicians, high level financiers and other heads of state, are regular attendees of the secretive Bilderberg group, who have a globalist agenda, with elites running the show.

The out of work British senior politicians, getting jobs within the EU, is just a case of the EU 'looking after their own'.

I agree but it is the subject of another thread as I'm pretty sure a mod will confirm for us shortly...

[nomadking]

IMO the mass immigration that has been allowed around the world is just replacing slavery. Just another source of mass cheap labour. But as each wave in time becomes less cheap, the next wave from yet another country is allowed in.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Osem

I agree but it is the subject of another thread as I'm pretty sure a mod will confirm for us shortly...

It's one of the most important aspects that people need to consider when making their decision on which way to vote. Being aware of the real goals of the people behind the EU is really important. It most definitely needs to be in this thread.

People can then choose to either dismiss it or check it out for themselves.

I am curious as to why you would agree, but then think it not relevant to the thread.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

It's one of the most important aspects that people need to consider when making their decision on which way to vote. Being aware of the real goals of the people behind the EU is really important. It most definitely needs to be in this thread.

People can then choose to either dismiss it or check it out for themselves.

I am curious as to why you would agree, but then think it not relevant to the thread.

I'm thinking the Mods, might not agree (from past experience) but maybe they're now happy it does and, if so, I'm more than happy to discuss it here because it is IMHO relevant to the EU debate albeit as part of a global issue.

I see Donald Tusk seems suddenly to have come to the conclusion that the EU elite have got it all wrong and their obsession with a single state is a Utopian dream and will be the undoing of the EU.

The European Union should abandon its "utopian dreams" of ever-closer integration to combat rising Euroscepticism, Donald Tusk has said.
The president of the European Council said EU leaders should concentrate on practical measures such as reinforcing borders and a banking union.

Mr Tusk warned of "dramatic consequences" if Britain left the EU.

He urged Europe's leaders to match the energy and endeavours of those who wanted to break up the union.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36429331

My God anyone would think he was really Nigel Farage!!

Does he really mean it however? I'm not sure he'll be saying the same thing if the UK votes to stay in and that might explain why he's done it now. Politicians eh, who'd trust them?... .

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Osem

I see Donald Tusk seems suddenly to have come to the conclusion that the EU elite have got it all wrong and their obsession with a single state is a Utopian dream and will be the undoing of the EU.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36429331

My God anyone would think he was really Nigel Farage!!

Does he really mean it however? I'm not sure he'll be saying the same thing if the UK votes to stay in and that might explain why he's done it now. Politicians eh, who'd trust them?... .

Typical politician coming out with that a matter of weeks before the referendum.

If remain win I expect his comments will be totally forgotten and the EU will just plough ahead with its efforts to create a USE.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The reasons I had for wanting to leave are gone now, the polish are here and here to stay, they're not going back regardless of what happens and their so integrated in our ways that the problems of them depressing wages aren't as bad as they used to be when it was pretty much just me and sparkle banging on about it on here, then was the time to act not now, it's to late and I certainly wasn't relying on politicians I was just hoping they could put forward a case to turn me back from remaining.

The idea of voting leave is to slow down or even stop them coming so your reason hasn't gone it's just made a little harder. Those who are here will get the choice to remain or go back but it will be harder for them to get in in the first place. That's the point.

The only way you'll stop them depressing wages is to stop them coming in the first place. Vote Leave.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

The way we were lied to and sold down the river at the last referendum was treason! Same with how Cameron is lying to us now!

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Interesting reads on this site:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/

It's not so much treason as it will be hard for people to trust him again. He'll have to go after the referendum regardless or risk defeat after defeat from his own Party.

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Fair enough, the decision is for each individual. I only hope our finest hour isn't about to be missed.

Me too. It's gonna be decided on Immigration or the Economy. Let's hope those who can influence a remain vote stay at home!

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Well I voted LEAVE in 1975 and in 2016 and don't regret it one bit!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Typical politician coming out with that a matter of weeks before the referendum.

If remain win I expect his comments will be totally forgotten and the EU will just plough ahead with its efforts to create a USE.

They won't be forgotten by us and I'm sure we'll be reminding everyone here of what he said if the worst happens...

I certainly don't believe he's being secure or that anyone much in Eurolalaland will listen but I'll be happy to admit it if he proves me wrong.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Tin foil hats on standby ..

Not at all. That is the logical conclusion if you look at what is going on in the EU, Asia and the Americas and do a lot of reading. 'They' are working towards creating huge regional power blocks which will ultimately be amalgamated into a 'one world government'
It won't happen for a long time (obviously) but that is the ultimate aim and it does make sense in the long term for the planet.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I see Donald Tusk seems suddenly to have come to the conclusion that the EU elite have got it all wrong and their obsession with a single state is a Utopian dream and will be the undoing of the EU.

The European Union should abandon its "utopian dreams" of ever-closer integration to combat rising Euroscepticism, Donald Tusk has said.

Well that's just given everyone here who thought that 'ever closer political union' is just a phrase and not really what the EU is about something to ponder

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Not at all. That is the logical conclusion if you look at what is going on in the EU, Asia and the Americas and do a lot of reading. 'They' are working towards creating huge regional power blocks which will ultimately be amalgamated into a 'one world government'
It won't happen for a long time (obviously) but that is the ultimate aim and it does make sense in the long term for the planet.

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Well that's just given everyone here who thought that 'ever closer political union' is just a phrase and not really what the EU is about something to ponder

Yup, it evidently wasn't all hyperbole dreamt up and employed by swivel eyed xenophobes...

Odd how something so momentous isn't all over the news/headlines though...

Meanwhile just when you thought there were enough tensions boiling over in the EU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36433114

The German parliament has approved a resolution declaring that the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War One was a "genocide".

Turkey's responded by withdrawing its ambassador to Germany "for consultations".

Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their people died in the atrocities of 1915. Turkey says the toll was much lower and rejects the term "genocide".

The timing is awkward, as the EU needs Turkey to help stem the migrant influx.

Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus called the move a "historic mistake".

It's all soooo rosy in the Euro garden isn't it...

[tweetiepooh]

I can see a future with one world government. Closer would be a more centralised Euro government for better and closer ties, better defence and so on. It may be done in stages. It will likely try to show how national identity is more a hindrance to peace and anyone who doesn't agree is really the enemy of "right thinking people". This could be a response to some "external" threat.