All F1 2004 Discussions - Page 16

paulyoung666 · 13-07-2004, 18:43

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Originally Posted by MetaWraith

The "push to pass" button or whatever was mentioned in commentary during one of Schu's overtaking manoeuvres in the French GP.

and like i said it is going to be some sort of engine adjustment , i.e. mixture richening or whatever

13-07-2004, 20:07

sorry paulyoung666,
but bernie ecclestone is money motivated,and if schumacher was to win the championship say by hungary,the fans for the races after that who maybe would have bought tickets won't be so motivated to buy them,and tv viewers less likely to watch the last few races.that would annoy the tv companies who pay millions to show f1 and the sponsors wouldn't like it to.
so bernie wants schumacher to win all the remaining races, so the fans and viewers will keep watching to see if he can do it.
that way people can't say it is boring(which i think it is by the way)and bernies happy, sponsors are happy, and the tv companies are happy.
after all even the greatest british racer this country has had (nigel mansell) says f1 is boring and after the start he can't bear to watch it.

paulyoung666 · 13-07-2004, 20:11

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Originally Posted by andy 1

sorry paulyoung666,
but bernie ecclestone is money motivated,and if schumacher was to win the championship say by hungary,the fans for the races after that who maybe would have bought tickets won't be so motivated to buy them,and tv viewers less likely to watch the last few races.that would annoy the tv companies who pay millions to show f1 and the sponsors wouldn't like it to.
so bernie wants schumacher to win all the remaining races, so the fans and viewers will keep watching to see if he can do it.
that way people can't say it is boring(which i think it is by the way)and bernies happy, sponsors are happy, and the tv companies are happy.
after all even the greatest british racer this country has had (nigel mansell) says f1 is boring and after the start he can't bear to watch it.

very sorry andy1 but i reckon your logic is very seriously flawed

13-07-2004, 20:30

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Originally Posted by andy 1

sorry paulyoung666,
but bernie ecclestone is money motivated,and if schumacher was to win the championship say by hungary,the fans for the races after that who maybe would have bought tickets won't be so motivated to buy them,and tv viewers less likely to watch the last few races.that would annoy the tv companies who pay millions to show f1 and the sponsors wouldn't like it to.
so bernie wants schumacher to win all the remaining races, so the fans and viewers will keep watching to see if he can do it.
that way people can't say it is boring(which i think it is by the way)and bernies happy, sponsors are happy, and the tv companies are happy.
after all even the greatest british racer this country has had (nigel mansell) says f1 is boring and after the start he can't bear to watch it.

Isn't that the point, though, Andy 1? - people want to see healthy competition, drama, overtaking - not one bloke driving into the distance race after race. It will be an incredible achievement for Schumacher if he can win the rest of the 'races', but a spectator friendly experience, it aint

Slightly off topic, but to illustrate what I mean, I watched the World Superbike races from Laguna Seca, last night - I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. The combination of a circuit that makes Cadwell Park look flat & some excellent camera work, highlighting the supreme skill & bravery of the riders, was superb. I know which I would rather watch, these days, & I've been a fan of F1 since I was a kid.

13-07-2004, 20:32

haven't you twigged it yet paulyoung666.
what bernie wants bernie gets.
and bernie wants schumacher to win all the remaining races,so a blind eye can be turned,by the fia the stewards ,charlie whiting and ,the scrutineers.after all cheating has been known to go on in f1.

13-07-2004, 20:37

whats your point homealone
i agree with what you say about f1,all i am trying to say is i think ferrari have something on there car which lets them win races.and its not all down to schumacher.

paulyoung666 · 13-07-2004, 20:54

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Originally Posted by andy 1

haven't you twigged it yet paulyoung666.
what bernie wants bernie gets.
and bernie wants schumacher to win all the remaining races,so a blind eye can be turned,by the fia the stewards ,charlie whiting and ,the scrutineers.after all cheating has been known to go on in f1.

sorry my mate , you are talking out of your @rse , i wouldnt normally rise to this but you are really getting my goat over this

13-07-2004, 21:01

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Originally Posted by andy 1

whats your point homealone
i agree with what you say about f1,all i am trying to say is i think ferrari have something on there car which lets them win races.and its not all down to schumacher.

Too be honest Andy 1, I was avoiding that point, sorry. It's a very controversial, subject. The trouble is, I'm at a loss to think how any mechanical 'boost' could be given, without compromising engine reliability (e.g. by raising the rev limiter), or fuel consumption. That then leaves electronic aids, which were supposed to have been drastically reduced, so who knows? The software is supposed to be scrutineered........

I actually think it's the tyres that have had the most effect, myself, Bridgestone make bespoke tyres for Ferrari - all the other teams have to design their cars around the tyres Bridgestone & Michelin will supply them with, Ferrari's tyres are designed for the car. - which can run with your theory, rather than contradicting it

13-07-2004, 21:06

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Originally Posted by andy 1

i think ferrari have something on there car which lets them win races.and its not all down to schumacher.

If it's down to "something on the car", how come even Rubens Barricello can't keep up with Michael Schumacher?

Yes, Ferrari have got one of the greatest GP cars ever, but they *also* have one of if not *the* greatest GP *drivers* ever.

Schumacher has demonstrated this time and again and in the future MS will be talked about in the same breath as Fangio, Clark, Prost and Senna as someone who made Formula One "their" sport.

As to this "push to pass" button, my guess is that either it improves the fuel mixture to add a little extra "oomph" for a few seconds, or it raises the setting of the rev limiter to give some more power briefly, neither of which, from what I understand, are illegal under current F1 rules.

13-07-2004, 21:09

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Originally Posted by homealone

I'm at a loss to think how any mechanical 'boost' could be given, without compromising engine reliability (e.g. by raising the rev limiter), or fuel consumption.

The point is, though, that it's only temporary. If the engine was revving at that speed all through the race or consuming fuel at that rate, then it would be too much, but we're probably only talking of a boost for a matter of a few seconds.

13-07-2004, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Graham

The point is, though, that it's only temporary. If the engine was revving at that speed all through the race or consuming fuel at that rate, then it would be too much, but we're probably only talking of a boost for a matter of a few seconds.

true - and, as you say, afaik, it is within the rules - the only slight niggle is why you need a 'push to overtake' button, when you are in front, all the time

paulyoung666 · 13-07-2004, 21:44

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Originally Posted by homealone

true - and, as you say, afaik, it is within the rules - the only slight niggle is why you need a 'push to overtake' button, when you are in front, all the time

good point that i reckon

keithwalton · 13-07-2004, 22:04

The push to pass button increases, or removes the upper rev limiter on the engine. As when in the slipstream of another car you have less drag and so can go faster. Usually a car will be setup to just fall shy of its rev limiter on the fastest part of the circuit. If you were following someone else close enough you'd hit your limiter and be stuck at normal speed.

The reason why its a button is because you do not want the engine to stray into high revs to often which could happen in the other 6 gears if the limiter was just set higher.
It's most likely easier to have one limit and an overide button than for the ecu to work out what gear the car is in and apply a limit based upon that.

Why would ferrari need it ? Backmarkers and being out of position from pit stops

Bring back the good ol' days of qualy, on fast circuits you could make use of your team mate to slipstream down a straight and then duck out of the way.
K

13-07-2004, 23:43

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Originally Posted by homealone

true - and, as you say, afaik, it is within the rules - the only slight niggle is why you need a 'push to overtake' button, when you are in front, all the time

Ahem, Silverstone?

Schumacher was *not* in front until another piece of brilliant team pit-stop strategy (going two stops when virtually everyone else was doing three) and some traffic left MS sitting pretty yet again.

ian@huth · 14-07-2004, 00:43

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Originally Posted by homealone

true - and, as you say, afaik, it is within the rules - the only slight niggle is why you need a 'push to overtake' button, when you are in front, all the time

The "push to pass" button is also a "push to prevent being passed" button. It gives a boost to help overtaking OR to prevent other cars from overtaking you.