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Old 15-04-2004, 22:41   #226
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

i dont think the cane is actually beating the kids its just a sting of the hands it didnt do me any harm it taught me a lesson to behave myself
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Old 27-04-2010, 09:47   #227
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

I back the return of both corporal and capital punishment in the UK.
This politically correct liberalism has to stop before the country decays any further.

Look at the facts, every generation gets worse the further away we move from traditional methods of punishment. Kids are clever and know that nothing of any serious consequence is going to happen to them, so they do what ever they like and get away with it.

There will always be exceptions to the rule of course no matter what punishment is in place, however the majority would start to fall back into line.

I live in North China now with my wife and son. China has a zero tolerance to crime and both corporal and capital punishment is practised here.

The result, a safe and happy environment for all. You can walk down the streets at any hour here without worrying your going to get mugged shot or knifed by some idiot, or smacked by some drunken fool for glancing in their direction.

Kids in schools here are for the most part very well behaved and that also shows in their overall level of education too. My son is at school now and he is developing into a wonderful little boy, he has only been spanked once for misbehaving by us and that was quite a long time ago now. He still does naughty things sometimes of course, however a warning is always enough for him now.

No one wants to have to spank children, or at least I would hope that no one would, its a necessary evil and an unfortunate consequence of our very nature as humans.

Taking that away only allows some children to grow up always believing they can get away with anything and do as they please. All these people who go on about talking to their children and explaining why something is wrong talk out of their backsides, little children do not understand the differences between right and wrong and no amount of explanation is going to fix that, they are after all immature and undeveloped, once a child reaches a certain age of course they can then understand the differences between right and wrong.

A study was done not too long ago showing a part of the brain that scientists believe to be the centre where we develop morals and understanding of right and wrong. In many of the children and teenagers that had major behavioural problems that area was not active and had failed to develop at all.

Why after thousands of years of bringing up children satisfactorily have people suddenly decided that its all wrong and needs to change, and why do these people not understand its ever since we adopted this pathetic softly softly approach to criminals and wrong doing that things have fallen into anarchy.

The thing that makes me laugh is this attitude that has been adopted now that smacking children is a form of child abuse, and people who carry it out are put in the same camp as a real child abuser.

One of the reasons these kinds of laws were changed apparently was to stop child abuse, and yet its done nothing to stop it, it was always illegal and a recent study has shown an 8% rise in serious harm to children in the UK under the age of 11yrs in the last 2 years alone. All this has achieved is to stop good parents and teachers bringing up children properly and turning them into decent human beings, instead allowing them to become moral lacking trouble causes with a bad attitude.

If the UK does not pull its finger out soon the whole British Isles will need sectioning off as a penal colony.

Things will have to change pretty dramatically in the UK if I was ever to consider moving back there.

People knock China all the time for apparently being uncivilized and having a terrible human rights record. However I believe being civilized is a matter of opinion and it's only upon actually living here that you start to realise just how full of it most people are when commenting on China, its the most civilized nation I have visited in the world, and in comparison to the UK today its like living in paradise.

Sort things out FFS before the UK gets any worse.
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Old 27-04-2010, 09:57   #228
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

I take it that it took you 6 years to get past China's firewalls???
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

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I live in North China now with my wife and son. China has a zero tolerance to crime and both corporal and capital punishment is practised here.
Don't have much tolerance for that much at all though to be fair....
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Old 27-04-2010, 10:05   #230
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big bump well worded opinion

However we as a species are not perfect we make mistakes which means sometimes the wrong person gets punished. Ok if you slap the wrong kids backside you can say sorry for it after and I agree some form of Corporal Punishment would not go amiss. But Shoot/Lethal Inject/Gas or Drop someone on the end of a rope and there is no taking that back so I totally disagree with Capital Punishment

You are obviously living in an affluent part of China and most likely are quite well off in comparison. I think your view on the country is enhanced by your rose coloured specs

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...050789158.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7530240.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_r...ublic_of_China
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

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Look at the facts, every generation gets worse the further away we move from traditional methods of punishment. Kids are clever and know that nothing of any serious consequence is going to happen to them, so they do what ever they like and get away with it.

Taking that away only allows some children to grow up always believing they can get away with anything and do as they please. All these people who go on about talking to their children and explaining why something is wrong talk out of their backsides, little children do not understand the differences between right and wrong and no amount of explanation is going to fix that, they are after all immature and undeveloped, once a child reaches a certain age of course they can then understand the differences between right and wrong.

A study was done not too long ago showing a part of the brain that scientists believe to be the centre where we develop morals and understanding of right and wrong. In many of the children and teenagers that had major behavioural problems that area was not active and had failed to develop at all.

Why after thousands of years of bringing up children satisfactorily have people suddenly decided that its all wrong and needs to change, and why do these people not understand its ever since we adopted this pathetic softly softly approach to criminals and wrong doing that things have fallen into anarchy.

The thing that makes me laugh is this attitude that has been adopted now that smacking children is a form of child abuse, and people who carry it out are put in the same camp as a real child abuser.
Good points
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Old 27-04-2010, 11:28   #232
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...snippety snip snip....
Why after thousands of years of bringing up children satisfactorily have people suddenly decided that its all wrong and needs to change, and why do these people not understand its ever since we adopted this pathetic softly softly approach to criminals and wrong doing that things have fallen into anarchy.

The thing that makes me laugh is this attitude that has been adopted now that smacking children is a form of child abuse, and people who carry it out are put in the same camp as a real child abuser.

One of the reasons these kinds of laws were changed apparently was to stop child abuse, and yet its done nothing to stop it, it was always illegal and a recent study has shown an 8% rise in serious harm to children in the UK under the age of 11yrs in the last 2 years alone. All this has achieved is to stop good parents and teachers bringing up children properly and turning them into decent human beings, instead allowing them to become moral lacking trouble causes with a bad attitude.

If the UK does not pull its finger out soon the whole British Isles will need sectioning off as a penal colony.

Things will have to change pretty dramatically in the UK if I was ever to consider moving back there.

People knock China all the time for apparently being uncivilized and having a terrible human rights record. However I believe being civilized is a matter of opinion and it's only upon actually living here that you start to realise just how full of it most people are when commenting on China, its the most civilized nation I have visited in the world, and in comparison to the UK today its like living in paradise.

Sort things out FFS before the UK gets any worse.
Ah, the good old days - we had things then that we don't have now; like rickets, diptheria, poorhouses, children working in mines and sweatshops (speaking of China.....), etc etc. I wonder if your rose-coloured spectacles were produced in China, where the average wage for nearly half the population is £2 per day?
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

Corporal punishment ... hmm ... I'm really ambiguous about this one.

Ideally, no. But realistically, yes, on a case by case basis.

Most children can be reached through other forms of persuasion but some can't. Some children, like their parents, are of an impulsive and violent breed and will only respond to violence. It's the only form of empathy they understand. People of this breed, left undisciplined, will probably go through life inflicting suffering on those around them whom they don't approve of.

But it won't work anyway. We have such an impulsive, animal culture that demotes inhibition as a form of weakness that any child given corporal punishment is likely to attack whoever is administering it.
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Ah, the good old days - we had things then that we don't have now; like rickets, diptheria, poorhouses, children working in mines and sweatshops
And you could go out and leave your front door open.
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

The system has got so twisted where it is believed respect can only be earned by violence. As is claimed by gang violence due to X "dissin" Y or whoever.

You cannot batter respect into someone, only fear. Until respect is properly earned/deserved/instilled no amount/style of punishment will change anything.
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

I don't believe in hitting, but you don't have to hit to get kids to behave.

I do believe in methods as used in things like brat camp etc. Were they break the will of the child, and don't pander to them. Break them down and build them up.

Those methods are far more effective than ruling by fear.
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I don't believe in hitting, but you don't have to hit to get kids to behave.

I do believe in methods as used in things like brat camp etc. Were they break the will of the child, and don't pander to them. Break them down and build them up.

Those methods are far more effective than ruling by fear.
Isn`t that the way National Service used to work?
It also taught respect.
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

I'm struggling to know what is best. What we are doing at the moment is clearly not working. So where do we go?
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Re: Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

We definately need a different deterrent to what we have at the moment, ( Sweet F.A.)
I can never understand the fact that most criminals are sentenced to x years in prison yet only have to serve a proportion of it. Surely a sentence is a fixed term?
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