Cable Forum Vaccinations

[nffc]

Interesting to see the demographic on here (and reading back through this, that quite a few were talking on here about getting 2nd jabs way before I'd been offered my 1st) is now to the point you're talking about 3rd jabs (which is what they are, even though you guys who didn't get mRNA vaccines the first time around will be) which possibly we'll never get.


Also, as a slight off topic diversion - that I'd still been checking in on here sporadically but not really posting much, but that the people on here seems to be the same (great) crowd as before, but all a bit older, and with what doesn't appear to be much younger blood at the other end, so I still feel like one of the younger ones :o

Well, I dont know anyone who gets younger

Ive been here for 31% of my entire life

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well, I dont know anyone who gets younger

Ive been here for 31% of my entire life

I joined in 2007. Doesn't time fly.

[Carth]

I only came to change a light bulb, then couldn't find the way out.

Think I was close a couple of times when chased by a bloke with a big hammer

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I joined in 2007. Doesn't time fly.

Same here.

Originally Posted by Carth

I only came to change a light bulb, then couldn't find the way out.

Think I was close a couple of times when chased by a bloke with a big hammer

Tell the truth, you never really wanted to leave. You would miss all the cranky, argumentative old codgers who hang out here.

[Halcyon]

Had both my Pfyzers.

Several of my friends in the NHS recommended that one over the others and I'm glad I got that one.

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Originally Posted by joglynne

Same here.


Tell the truth, you never really wanted to leave. You would miss all the cranky, argumentative old codgers who hang out here.

Like me who joined in 2004!


Was young back then.....Now got 3 kids, a mortgage and seem like I never have enough time in the day.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Had both my Pfyzers.

Several of my friends in the NHS recommended that one over the others and I'm glad I got that one.

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Like me who joined in 2004!

Was young back then.....Now got 3 kids, a mortgage and seem like I never have enough time in the day.

Can't ever remember you ever being cranky and argumentative. Older and wiser seems to be a better description.

Back to topic .... I never had a choice regarding which Covid vaccination I could have as an mRNA version was the one my Consultant advised,wanting me to have the maximum cover due to my unpredictable immune system. He had me inoculated in December last year, mRNA Pfizer was the only jab being used which was lucky.

[Halcyon]

That is very kind of you joglynne.

It is great to see there are still longtime members still here.




I found with the Pfizer it was the first one that gave me a real heavy arm and a headache.
I was fearing the second one as it is meant to be worse, but I was absolutely fine.


Maybe it helped that I had Covid a few months back, who knows.
I was glad the vaccines didnt bring it back. Never felt so strange and ill back then.



My wife has now had her 3rd vaccine as she works in the NHS.


I wonder if over time they'll be able to combine it into the flu vaccine so people will just need one vaccine every year.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

That is very kind of you joglynne.




I wonder if over time they'll be able to combine it into the flu vaccine so people will just need one vaccine every year.

I think with the high numbers of people not taking vaccines we will see mutations of Covid ad infinitum but hopefully they will find something that can as you say be a just one jab with the flu jab

[tweetiepooh]

Firstly not all mutations -> more virulent/infectious/dangerous.


As the population is exposed to variants it will build up a more generalised immunity.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well, I dont know anyone who gets younger

Ive been here for 31% of my entire life

Yes, what i meant is that we don't seem to have had many younger people sign up over time, which is a bit odd - so the regulars have just got older. In fact the "kids" we did have around 5-6 years back seem to have disappeared too. It's odd because you'd normally expect newer people.

Originally Posted by pip08456

I joined in 2007. Doesn't time fly.

Yeah it does, 2007 still seems like not long ago but it's 14 years now.

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Firstly not all mutations -> more virulent/infectious/dangerous.


As the population is exposed to variants it will build up a more generalised immunity.

This is what people like Hugh Osmond (who is qualified in medicine) are saying about vaccine passports and specifically vaccine immunity as opposed to natural immunity. (And given that double jabbed people are still getting it, it seems to be true)



It seems that getting a spike protein into someone is great when that spike protein exactly is what you're looking for, but of course we know that the variants have differences in the spike protein, making the specific immunity less easy to recognise it, and that the immune system can recognise other parts of the whole virus which is why natural immunity seems to be better.


Of course you could modify the mRNA or viral vector vaccines to have the spike protein of Delta but presumably this would take at least time to make and modify production by which point the situation may have changed.

Hugh Osmond is not qualified in Medicine - he did 3 years of Medicine at Oxford, then dropped out and went to the US when he was 21.

According to the NHS careers website

After gaining your medical degree (which takes five years), you take a two-year Foundation Programme. This is followed by training either as a GP (currently lasting three years) or in a specialty (taking five to eight years).

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Hugh Osmond is not qualified in Medicine - he did 3 years of Medicine at Oxford, then dropped out and went to the US when he was 21.

According to the NHS careers website

Yes, I should have been more precise (but it's not wholly relevant). He studied medicine at university level for 3 years, which (considering it was also Oxford) would no doubt have required a high aptitude to get in as well as a decent grounding in terms of knowledge. So, you would've expected he would have a decent enough idea of how a virus works, how immunity works, how useful NPIs are, etc etc, even if his knowledge isn't specialised enough to practise medicine; more so than journalists or Karen off facebook anyway. Additionally, being a businessman in a trade which has been affected by covid he would also know other aspects of the response and how this translates to the effects on combating the virus.


A great deal of what he has said about covid has (with hindsight) turned out to be true... Esp the point I was making about vax immunity vs natural immunity, which kind of makes vax passes somewhat pointless...

My Doctor friends would disagree about it not being "wholly relevant", as it took them over three times the time he spent studying to become fully qualified…

Also, the fact that it was nearly 40 years ago, and he’s never used it since, not sure how relevant his "knowledge" is - 40 years ago I could speak Russian and knew the location, size, and capabilities of most of the Soviet Armed Forces in Europe; now, not so much…

He’s really not more qualified than "Karen"…

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

My Doctor friends would disagree about it not being "wholly relevant", as it took them over three times the time he spent studying to become fully qualified…

Also, the fact that it was nearly 40 years ago, and he’s never used it since, not sure how relevant his "knowledge" is - 40 years ago I could speak Russian and knew the location, size, and capabilities of most of the Soviet Armed Forces in Europe; now, not so much…

He’s really not more qualified than "Karen"…

He really is... None of the stuff related to his background suggests he knows less about how a virus or a vaccine works than someone with 2 GCSEs who thinks it's all a 5G hoax.



As I understand a significant amount of the later years of medical study are working on specialisations, so yes, they would have done a lot of work on knowing how to be a surgeon or an oncologist or a heart specialist or even to have sufficient basic expertise for general practice. But three years is equivalent study to an undergraduate degree in another discipline, which is enough in itself to equate to a qualification in those places.


You may or may not have a valid point about the time - though given the stuff he pops up especially on twitter, it's clear he does still read and understand what's discussed in journals, papers, publications, so maybe he has (or hasn't until recently) kept fingers in his knowledge even if he isn't using it as a profession. And we have no idea why he dropped out - he may have been interested in medicine, but having seen general practice or whatever when on his placements decided it wasn't what he wanted to do for a career. (This isn't uncommon - I did chemistry at university and about the end of 2nd year didn't really want to end up with a career in it, but given I was on a 3 year course, just carried on with it anyway to get the paperwork it'd have been a waste to change course anyway - and whilst I haven't used it formally since, I can still understand - almost 20 years later - the stuff we were taught, and it might just take a minimal amount of catching up reading texts etc to get up to the same standard again).