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Theresa May and Amber Rudd arriving at the negotiations with the DUP.
(h/t to twitter @victoriapeckham)
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Think you are getting a little carried away. The Conservative campaign was shocking as was their manifesto and yet they still beat labour by 56 seats. It was also the highest turnout since 97 and the majority appear to have been students who leaned towards Labour.
The Conservatives also increased their share of the vote by 12.4% whereas Labour increased by 9.8%.
So, in my opinion, they had their chance and blew it.
I can certainly see the Conservatives doing better next time around but equally it's clear that Labour are far stronger now than before the election whilst the government is much weaker. If Labour resist the temptation to collapse inwards of themselves they could be better: Corbyn will be getting the loudest cheer from his backbenchers at the first PMQs back, you might get heavyweights returning to the front bench - Yvette Cooper instead of Abbot for example - and just more credibility in general.
I don't think the Tories are in as much peril for a second election if they got their act together with a different leader, a less nasty campaign and a more inclusive message. May thought she could alienate almost half the country, especially young people, to entice UKIP voters over and win easily. Most of us thought so too. Turns out UKIP voters aren't shy Conservatives though and suddenly all those people she dismissed were more important.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
From yesterday's News Quiz.
Jeremy Corbyn proved wrong all those people who said he couldn't win an election, by not winning an election...
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Originally Posted by peanut
Yep, which is explained by this...
Is that 2nd quote from the same part of the News Quiz as Hugh's quote. Hugo Rifkind's entire rant from which Hugh quoted is very similar to it.
Some of the DUP policies are in line with Biblical teaching. Good.
But they will not be used as a bargaining chip. They are interested in the Brexit aspect. They want a friction less border, but out of the single market. Something everyone wants.
I thought I heard Arlene say no one wanted a hard Brexit, perhaps it's the accent
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. Theresa May considering formal coalition which could mean cabinet positions for DUP MPs
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7783741.html
They can't be serious??? These people have links with terrorists. Decent people in her own party wouldn't stick that. Total hypocrisy given all the coalition of chaos SNP/Labour and Corbyn/Sinn Fein stories they spouted.
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Re: The 2017 General Election
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Both can demand and get whatever they want now. Theresa is a lame duck.
No, they can't. You forget that the DUP always vote with the Conservatives anyway, as does Ruth Davidson.
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Originally Posted by Mr K
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7783741.html
They can't be serious??? These people have links with terrorists. Decent people in her own party wouldn't stick that. Total hypocrisy given all the coalition of chaos SNP/Labour and Corbyn/Sinn Fein stories they spouted.
A formal coalition with the DUP isn't going to happen. That is pure speculation.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7783741.html
They can't be serious??? These people have links with terrorists. Decent people in her own party wouldn't stick that. Total hypocrisy given all the coalition of chaos SNP/Labour and Corbyn/Sinn Fein stories they spouted.
But not really.
The DUP link with terrorists is tenuous. I think Chris, tried to explain this a few pages ago.
The DUP were aligned with the resistance group, Ulster Resistance, who supported Northern Ireland remaining part of the United Kingdom and they committed no Terrorist Acts. The DUP cut ties to them one year after UR's creation.
Ulster Resistance did smuggle weapons illegally, one could assume to defend against the uprising of the IRA, as they were totally against the IRA, I guess this makes UR, on our side ?
We all know the IRA murdered people in large numbers with the Bombs and Bullets, something Labour's John Mcdonnell, said at one time that this should be honoured. (Sick man). DUP Westminster Leader Nigel Dodds, had something to say about this not that long ago.
Let's also not forget, Diane Abbott wanted British Defeat, but it's okay, I guess because she no longer has some of these views because she no longer has that, 'splendid Afro' . We all know Corbyn has stood with or sympathised with multiple terrorist organisations.
What Arlene and Ruth want is one thing. What they will get will be rather different.
I was actually replying to passing bats comment on everyone wanting out of the single market, Arlene Foster doesn't and unlike Passingbat she is in a position to do something about it. Ms Davidson on the other hand has to lump it and like her new found allies in spite of their opposition to her forthcoming marriage and general bigotry toward her and people of her orientation
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