General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2014) Vol. 4 - Page 16

harry_hitch · 21-10-2014, 19:16

With all the talk of ITV Encore, do I remember correctly that when Sky and ITV agreed on the ITV Encore deal, Sky were shareholders in ITV, thus making the deal a sensible idea at the time. After the deal was struck, did Sky not effectively sell their shares to LG who could (in theory) have struck a different deal to that over-rode the previous Sky-ITV agreement?

I appreciate Sky's original exclusive deal (whatever that may be) is likely still to be in place, but perhaps ITV had a clause in the contract that allowed them to air the shows within a few days if Sky stopped the funding?

Can't say it bothers me, I doubt the first commissioned show (Frankenstein) will be that decent. I will give it a go when it airs on VM/FTA, but (like Game Of Thrones) I will probably end up not enjoying it and re-read the book anyway.:-)

21-10-2014, 19:31

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch

With all the talk of ITV Encore, do I remember correctly that when Sky and ITV agreed on the ITV Encore deal, Sky were shareholders in ITV, thus making the deal a sensible idea at the time. After the deal was struck, did Sky not effectively sell their shares to LG who could (in theory) have struck a different deal to that over-rode the previous Sky-ITV agreement?

Sky were, indeed, shareholders in ITV at the time. But a minority shareholding giving them no effective control over ITV, largely irrelevant as far as the deal for ITV Encore is concerned.

muppetman11 · 21-10-2014, 19:37

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think I understand what you mean. It's probably the other way round. Why would someone leave Sky for Virgin if that means losing Sky Atlantic and ITV Encore? These two channels might just tip the deal in favour of Sky if everything else is equal. Plus it gives the reassurance to Sky subscribers that they're with a premiumm service that gets channels well before the other platforms.

That's exactly what it is , most of the feedback I've seen and been involved in suggests people state this as being one of the reasons currently keeping them with Sky.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy

A) I do not really care about Sky Atlantic - the day time lineup look poor to me.

B) ITV has always says that ITV Encore will have its own commissions in 2015.

C) If Virgin sign an deal to carry CSC Media/Sony and Tru TV I will be more than happy to miss the two channels on both ITV and Sky.

How many channels have great daytime schedules ? I tend to look at how many shows I view on a particular channel over the course of a year , personally I watch quite a few shows off Sky Atlantic I appreciate however not everyone is the same.

harry_hitch · 21-10-2014, 19:40

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Originally Posted by jj20x

Sky were, indeed, shareholders in ITV at the time. But a minority shareholding giving them no effective control over ITV, largely irrelevant as far as the deal for ITV Encore is concerned.

Right-o, cheers.

1andrew1 · 21-10-2014, 20:40

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Originally Posted by jj20x

That suggests that Sky is actively seeking out partners and VM have their nets set out downstream, only catching what Sky doesn't want to keep for itself. Perhaps a more pro-active approach and better communication with channel suppliers would encourage such channels to be made available from the start. Maybe it is time to set the nets upstream...

It's pretty hard to conclude anything from one deal in isolation. Sky and VM have finite resources and can't pursue every opportunity so it could well be that they're adopting different strategies with VM extending its network in NE England and E London and Sky setting up exclusive channel deals. On paper, Sky would probably be able to justify an absolute bigger spend for an exclusive channel as it has nearly three times the TV subscribers that VM has whilst VM will get more customers by extending its network in areas where the competition is weak.

21-10-2014, 22:43

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's pretty hard to conclude anything from one deal in isolation.

It wasn't a conclusion just a suggestion that VM would probably get better deals by being more pro-active in their dealings with channel providers. As Media Boy has pointed out, VM appear to be continuing with the old Telewest policy of waiting for a contract renewal before negotiating for any new channels.

If the channel provider knows that VM shows little interest in any new channels, they may as well enter into an exclusive deal with Sky.

RichardCoulter · 22-10-2014, 02:12

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I would expect ITV1 to show new dramas as well though, and air the ITV Encore repeats on days which do not tend to get the audience, particularly Saturday evenings.

If BBC did the same and put on a premier channel, it would never have to show those dreaded summer repeats ever again! Incidentally, this could be a deal to address the forthcoming reduction of the licence fee.

If ITV Encore is to be regarded as a premium channel for ITV, then the arrangement described by Richard will not achieve that. I would not be too bothered if we did not get ITV Encore at all if that's how it would work. I always watch programmes after the event anyway.

Funnily enough, I had thought that myself. The BBC could raise revenue by letting subscribers see new material before it's planned air date. This way, licence fee payers not subscribing to the premium service couldn't complain that their programmes were being delayed.

I think that any dramas that originally aired on Encore, but new to ITV, will be aired at the usual peak times.

What do you mean by a planned reduction in the TV licence

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Originally Posted by jj20x

At the moment, with a format based on repeats, it's certainly not a "must-have" channel. I'd be amazed if ITV has managed to sell this channel as a premium product to Sky on the basis of 7 days exclusivity. Especially considering that the article suggests that there will be only 2 commissions in the first year, both to be limited to only 6 parts.

On the basis of what ITV is offering, I can't see the set up costs being that much. Similarly I wouldn't expect the price to Sky or VM to be astronomical. After playing catch-up in the game of acquiring channels last year, VM is now in danger of losing ground again.

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A delay of only 1 week would probably give the channel no significant value at all. Which didn't seem to be what ITV had in mind in their 5 year plan.

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As it stands, perhaps. Going forward, we don't know how many new commissions ITV have planned for Encore or how popular they will be with potential viewers. In the unlikely event that it commissions material of a similar quality to Sky Atlantic, the demand will be there. If the commissions are sufficiently popular and exclusive, ITV Encore may become a mainstream channel. VM shouldn't really have mainstream channels missing from its line-up. At the moment, ITV Encore isn't mainstream but VM should closely monitor this channel and make sure that they offer the channel before it becomes a "must-have".

Maybe these new dramas are what would have aired on ITV and are now being premiered on Encore? ITV viewers still get to see them after those who have paid a premium to see them a little earlier.

This way, ITV get the extra revenue from Sky, without it costing them any extra.

OLD BOY · 22-10-2014, 12:25

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Funnily enough, I had thought that myself. The BBC could raise revenue by letting subscribers see new material before it's planned air date. This way, licence fee payers not subscribing to the premium service couldn't complain that their programmes were being delayed.

I think that any dramas that originally aired on Encore, but new to ITV, will be aired at the usual peak times.

What do you mean by a planned reduction in the TV licence

I think ITV Encore will only be worth having if the first run dramas were shown at least 6 months prior to being shown on ITV1. If I was running the show, I would air them during the summer months on ITV1, which should still have its own original programming as it does now.

Regarding the BBC, the Conservative Party is planning to slash the cost of the TV licence if they get in with a majority next time. This will force the BBC to cut its costs and find new income streams.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think ITV could get away with drama being aired a week or so before showing on ITV but if shown six months afterwards then ITV could be in danger of appearing to look like a slightly newer ITV3.

I understand what you are saying, but I think it is true to say that ITV1 will still carry original dramas of its own. If ITV Encore was only going to show new programmes a few days before ITV1, I really don't see the point!

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Maybe these new dramas are what would have aired on ITV and are now being premiered on Encore? ITV viewers still get to see them after those who have paid a premium to see them a little earlier.

This way, ITV get the extra revenue from Sky, without it costing them any extra.

Who would be foolish enough to want to pay for a channel simply for the privilege of seeing programmes a few days before the free airing? If that's the plan, it ain't going to work IMO!

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Originally Posted by jj20x

It wasn't a conclusion just a suggestion that VM would probably get better deals by being more pro-active in their dealings with channel providers. As Media Boy has pointed out, VM appear to be continuing with the old Telewest policy of waiting for a contract renewal before negotiating for any new channels.

If the channel provider knows that VM shows little interest in any new channels, they may as well enter into an exclusive deal with Sky.

I agree. One of the main complaints on this forum is that VM is too slow in acquiring new channels.

The aim should always be to have them put on the system from the launch date, except where they have determined that they are not worth watching or spending the amount of money demanded.

heavyside · 22-10-2014, 14:02

Isn't the whole point of ITV Encore explained by the name? Or is there some strange new definition of 'encore' that I don't know?

Media Boy UK · 22-10-2014, 15:12

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harry_hitch · 22-10-2014, 15:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think ITV Encore will only be worth having if the first run dramas were shown at least 6 months prior to being shown on ITV1. If I was running the show, I would air them during the summer months on ITV1, which should still have its own original programming as it does now.

Regarding the BBC, the Conservative Party is planning to slash the cost of the TV licence if they get in with a majority next time. This will force the BBC to cut its costs and find new income streams.

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I understand what you are saying, but I think it is true to say that ITV1 will still carry original dramas of its own. If ITV Encore was only going to show new programmes a few days before ITV1, I really don't see the point!

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Who would be foolish enough to want to pay for a channel simply for the privilege of seeing programmes a few days before the free airing? If that's the plan, it ain't going to work IMO!

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I agree. One of the main complaints on this forum is that VM is too slow in acquiring new channels.

The aim should always be to have them put on the system from the launch date, except where they have determined that they are not worth watching or spending the amount of money demanded.

Which seems to be the strategy VM/LG have had in place for a long time.

Media Boy UK · 22-10-2014, 15:56

LFC TV to be an 'Add on' channel from November 4th?

Liverpool FC TV to move to a La Carte Channel and also launch an HD channel on the 4th of November on Sky.

Seen no information on full link for this story or info for Virgin Media Viewers.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...3&postcount=38

denphone · 22-10-2014, 16:04

RichardCoulter · 22-10-2014, 16:58

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Originally Posted by heavyside

Isn't the whole point of ITV Encore explained by the name? Or is there some strange new definition of 'encore' that I don't know?

I agree with you, Encore suggests that they are a channel for re-runs, yet they are to air new dramas on there first

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Originally Posted by Media Boy

LFC TV to be an 'Add on' channel from November 4th?

Liverpool FC TV to move to a La Carte Channel and also launch an HD channel on the 4th of November on Sky.

Seen no information on full link for this story or info for Virgin Media Viewers.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...3&postcount=38

Well spotted. I was told last Sunday that LFC had approached VM with a view to them carrying the HD variant. There was no mention that the SD version would become an a la carte channel, but I can't imagine that this change will take place on Sky and not VM.

IIRC it was originally a stand alone channel, but became part of the Setanta Sports pack. When they ceased trading it became a free channel.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think ITV Encore will only be worth having if the first run dramas were shown at least 6 months prior to being shown on ITV1. If I was running the show, I would air them during the summer months on ITV1, which should still have its own original programming as it does now.

Regarding the BBC, the Conservative Party is planning to slash the cost of the TV licence if they get in with a majority next time. This will force the BBC to cut its costs and find new income streams.

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I understand what you are saying, but I think it is true to say that ITV1 will still carry original dramas of its own. If ITV Encore was only going to show new programmes a few days before ITV1, I really don't see the point!

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Who would be foolish enough to want to pay for a channel simply for the privilege of seeing programmes a few days before the free airing? If that's the plan, it ain't going to work IMO!

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I agree. One of the main complaints on this forum is that VM is too slow in acquiring new channels.

The aim should always be to have them put on the system from the launch date, except where they have determined that they are not worth watching or spending the amount of money demanded.

Maybe that's why VM were happy to let Sky help to pay the set up costs for Encore, in return for a period of exclusivity.

Thanks for the info. re: the TV licence, I'd not heard of that before. I guess it's all part of the Tory plan to reduce the role of the BBC in broadcasting for reasons best known to themselves.

Mad Max · 22-10-2014, 18:10

I mean, seriously, does anyone really give a stuff about LFC having an HD channel?