Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing

[Karrington]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Saying that you disagree with something or that you think it is wrong is not homophopia. By comparing the two, you cheapen the plight of those are generally suffering.

That's makes no sense. Racist talk is racism and homophobic talk is homophobia..

Do you only consider something homophobia when people are violently attacked?

If I were to say black people made me feel sick that would make me a racist..

If someone says gay people make them feel sick they are homophobic.

Originally Posted by Karrington

Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful, it's also morally wrong. If you did that in the workplace you would soon find yourself without a job..


I understand what you are saying people are of course entitled to think and feel however they choose to. Acting upon those feelings however is another matter entirely..

that's called being PC something which you seem adept at ,it is not wrong or illegal for someone to voice there opinion or feelings no matter how much you dress it up .I dislike seeing 2 men kissing it seems unnatural to me so guess what i do ..i don't watch ..i ignore them ,i still feel the same way about it ,because all the PC rules that the likes of yourself invent can't change how i think any more than "us straights" can't change how gay people think

Originally Posted by Karrington

Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful, it's also morally wrong. If you did that in the workplace you would soon find yourself without a job..


I understand what you are saying people are of course entitled to think and feel however they choose to. Acting upon those feelings however is another matter entirely..

Morally wrong? you mean like cheating on a partner? sex outside of marriage? theft ? murder? think morality is stretched pretty thin nowadays

It was obvious you were Gay btw only a uptight homosexual would feel the need jump in feet first into a thread like.

Please tell me where in law its illegal for me to say seeing 2 men kiss makes me feel sick? its just an opinion. Now if I was kicking your head in and saying you kissing your partner makes me sick then it would be.( just an example not a threat) If a group of Muslims can stand and tell a group of soldiers that they should be killed for Allah then I can say you make me feel queezy

I find it offensive that you think my opinions are any less important than yours actualy you are no better than me and your rights no more important than mine just because you happen to be part of a minority. Who do you think you are to come here and tell me how I or anyone else on this forum should think?

Oh and btw I am quite tolerant of homosexuality compared to some but not those who think they have more rights than me because of it

Originally Posted by Karrington

That's makes no sense. Racist talk is racism and homophobic talk is homophobia..

Do you only consider something homophobia when people are violently attacked?

If I were to say black people made me feel sick that would make me a racist..

If someone says gay people make them feel sick they are homophobic.

you are allowed to be racist or homorphobic ,that isn't illegal it's acting on those feelings that is illegal ..as you said yourself

Originally Posted by Karrington

That's makes no sense. Racist talk is racism and homophobic talk is homophobia..

Do you only consider something homophobia when people are violently attacked?

If I were to say black people made me feel sick that would make me a racist..

If someone says gay people make them feel sick they are homophobic.

may I just point out to you that being homophobic and rasist is only illegal when you act upon the beliefs and cause harressment or violently etc

[Karrington]

I can see this discussion is pointless. I was hoping to change your opinion, I obviously failed..

Nobody suggested extra or added rights for anybody. I expect total equality not extra rights...
I said your views are offensive, they are to me. I have a right to say that you have made that quite clear.

I came onto the thread because I found it an odd topic to be on here.. Me being uptight has nothing to do with it
I enjoy reading the threads here and thought it was a relatively progressive community..

How mistaken I was... Last time I bother discussing anything here of any real value.

I will go off and enjoy the sunshine, instead of wasting my time and energy here.

Originally Posted by Karrington

I can see this discussion is pointless. I was hoping to change your opinion, I obviously failed..

Nobody suggested extra or added rights for anybody. I expect total equality not extra rights...
I said your views are offensive, they are to me. I have a right to say that you have made that quite clear.

I came onto the thread because I found it an odd topic to be on here.. Me being uptight has nothing to do with it
I enjoy reading the threads here and thought it was a relatively progressive community..

How mistaken I was... Last time I bother discussing anything here of any real value.

I will go off and enjoy the sunshine, instead of wasting my time and energy here.

There is your biggest miskake, Who are you to try and change anyone. I aint here trying to change you

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Karrington

I can see this discussion is pointless. I was hoping to change your opinion, I obviously failed..

Nobody suggested extra or added rights for anybody. I expect total equality not extra rights...
I said your views are offensive, they are to me. I have a right to say that you have made that quite clear.

I came onto the thread because I found it an odd topic to be on here.. Me being uptight has nothing to do with it
I enjoy reading the threads here and thought it was a relatively progressive community..

How mistaken I was... Last time I bother discussing anything here of any real value.

I will go off and enjoy the sunshine, instead of wasting my time and energy here.

what u have to realise is that everyone has a right to an opinion of their own. Saying Homosexuality is unnatural is just their opinion doesnt mean its a right nor a wrong opinion.

Originally Posted by Karrington

Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful,

No, it is not.

it's also morally wrong.

By which moral code?

If you did that in the workplace you would soon find yourself without a job.

That might be covered by that workplace's terms and conditions of employment - a matter wholly different than the law, or morality. It might come under the equality legislation under certain circumstances ... see below. This, however, is not a workplace. It is a discussion forum.

I understand what you are saying people are of course entitled to think and feel however they choose to. Acting upon those feelings however is another matter entirely..

This goes to the heart of your failure to understand the equality legislation. Acting on feelings by merely expressing them aloud is not against any law. The law is only broken if that expression occurs in any of the specific contexts set down in the law, or if the expression is shown to be an aggravating factor in some other crime.

The phrase 'thought crime' is not confined to your inner monologue. The notion is generally held to encompass ideas about freedom of speech and expression also.

Oh, and you really were wasting your time if you thought you were going to change anyone's mind by coming in here and making half a dozen posts telling people what to think. The most you can hope for on a forum like this is an intelligent exchange of ideas and greater mutual understanding. If you want to influence anyone, it takes a lot of time and a willingness to listen as well as speak ... something your last post suggests you had no intention of doing.

Enjoy the sunshine.

[Mr Angry]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karrington
Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful,

Originally Posted by Chris

No, it is not.

I think you'll find that the Public Order Act (Section 5) says it is - if it causes someone harassment, alarm or distress or to feel insulted.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I think you'll find that the Public Order Act says it is if it causes someone to be distressed or feel insulted.

There has to be deliberate intent to cause harassment or distress though .That is a world away from voicing one's opinion

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I think you'll find that the Public Order Act (Section 5) says it is - if it causes someone to be distressed or feel insulted.

... and I think you'll find that it is not an offence of absolute liability. I.E. intention to cause harassment, alarm or distress must be proved.

It is not enough for someone to stand up and say they are insulted in order to secure a conviction.

The contention here was that expressing disgust about homosexual activity is, in and of itself, illegal. That is not true.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karrington
Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful,



I think you'll find that the Public Order Act (Section 5) says it is - if it causes someone harassment, alarm or distress or to feel insulted.

if someone keeps taking the mick out of my red hair and I feel insulted is that then a public order offence?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

There has to be deliberate intent to cause harassment or distress though .That is a world away from voicing one's opinion

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

Do you see the word "deliberate" or "opinion" in there?

Edit ... there is also a defence of 'reasonable conduct'. The Courts will decide what 'reasonable' means, however I would be surprised if any of the open, frank but measured discussion taking place in this thread were deemed to be unreasonable.