[Merged] The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season - Page 16

Russ · 10-06-2005, 17:38

I hate Scouse FC as much as any self-respecting Man United fan, but I have to say I'm pleased that common sense has prevailed and they will rightfully be in Europe next year

Shadow Demon UK · 10-06-2005, 18:20

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Les Lawson, spokesman for the Liverpool international supporters club, said: "UEFA have had to sort it out and they have done the minimum possible. They have treated their own champions with contempt."

I cannot belive i am reading this! UEFA have already bent the rules for Liverpool to enter the competition and they are still complaining! I think that they were lucky to get in the competition at all and should be grateful, not annoyed about having to qualify.

kronas · 10-06-2005, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I cannot belive i am reading this! UEFA have already bent the rules for Liverpool to enter the competition and they are still complaining! I think that they were lucky to get in the competition at all and should be grateful, not annoyed about having to qualify.

bent the rules

they have had them rewritten becuase the teams who will win the cup after liverpool will also be automatically entered in to the champions league.

Chrysalis · 10-06-2005, 18:43

I am happy they are in the competition but did I read it correctly that if Liverpool get beaten in a round they still progress? or was it sarcasm.

iadom · 10-06-2005, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I am happy they are in the competition but did I read it correctly that if Liverpool get beaten in a round they still progress? or was it sarcasm.

No, the post from gazzae was official, every word is true.

gazzae · 10-06-2005, 19:34

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Originally Posted by kronas

bent the rules

they have had them rewritten becuase the teams who will win the cup after liverpool will also be automatically entered in to the champions league.

The champions usually got entered into the competition even if they are outside their league qualification places. The problem here was the number of teams - UEFA rules state that no country can have more than 4 teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered the champions league then there wouldn't have been a problem.

kronas · 10-06-2005, 20:19

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Originally Posted by gazzae

The champions usually got entered into the competition even if they are outside their league qualification places. The problem here was the number of teams - UEFA rules state that no country can have more than 4 teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered the champions league then there wouldn't have been a problem.

oh right, the article on the BBC site did not make the bit about automatic qualification irrespective of league position clear.

10-06-2005, 20:28

Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it

Glazer

kronas · 10-06-2005, 20:34

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Originally Posted by yesman

Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it

Glazer

its going to be a killer if all the financial data that has been publsihed goes through, i know he has to make money from somewhere, thats the diffarence though, he is a business man hes not in it for the health of the football end of the club.

nffc · 10-06-2005, 22:17

Liverpool: It's only common sense. Back in the day, when it were winners only, then the champions got in even if they didn't win the league.

When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.

I can see why it's applicable to international comps because there it's easier to qualify and keeps the teams off meaningless friendlies- but the games are more in the league, and let's be honest, fixture congestion makes it more a squad game these days anyway.

Glad to see UEFA have made some common sense decisions now. They aren't getting it easy but they're in it. And that should be a bonus for them.

13-06-2005, 08:33

Chelsea poised to outbid United again.

It seem's united will have to take a back seat in the transfer market for a few year's to come.
Unless fortune's change, united could end up being a mid table side.

Shadow Demon UK · 13-06-2005, 08:47

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Originally Posted by yesman

Chelsea poised to outbid United again.

It seem's united will have to take a back seat in the transfer market for a few year's to come.
Unless fortune's change, united could end up being a mid table side.

I think this shows Chelsea dont have a clue what they are doing or who to buy, they did it with Robben and it looks like they are going to do it again. I wathched Park Ji-Sung play against Milan in the champions league and i wouldnt value him at ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£7 million which is what PSV want, now Chelsea are involved.

I dont think its if United's fortune's change they will be a mid table side, i think everybodys fortunes will have to change to be able to compete with Chelsea outbidding on any decent player a team wants to sign.

gazzae · 13-06-2005, 09:26

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Originally Posted by nffc

When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.

But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.

When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.

sherer · 13-06-2005, 10:07

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Originally Posted by gazzae

But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.

When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.

exactly the Fa have engineered us getting 5 teams in because they can't make their minds up about what to do so did nothing in the end.. The FA should have just put the holders in instead and have done with it..

of course if UEFA hadn't ruined the comp in the first place this wouldn't have happened anyway

nffc · 13-06-2005, 10:50

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Originally Posted by gazzae

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Originally Posted by nffc

When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.

But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.

When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.

Yes but what's happened here, is the winners have fallen outside the normal qualifying places and because they've taken away the automatic place then they can't defend it. ie, they're assuming the holders qualify by virtue of their league position.

When they only let league champions in then the holders got in anyway, all I'm saying is if this stupid rule about holders not being allowed in had been around then, countless champions who didn't win their league the season they won the EC wouldn't be allowed to defend it.

The problem is the silly rule about the coefficients. Normally it works well but when you have a situation like this, you can't NOT send a side who have qualified by virtue of a position in the league, and you can't NOT enter the holders. If the rule had been "one team per FA" back then, do you send the holders or the Champions?

The matter is there should be a special entry place for the holders and that should be independent of their league position- ie, the only logical way is for five English sides to enter, the normal 4 (Chelsea, Arsenal, **** and Everton) who finished there by rights of their league position, and the holders, who won the competition but finished outside the top 4. They all deserve to be there, as they've satisfied the requirements to be there.

I also think Man City should take the extra European place too.