UK Timeline Doctor Who : Season 6 - Page 16

Peter_ · 05-06-2011, 07:40

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The time vortex didn't "produce her". She is Amy and rory's child, the time vortex just time lorded her.

I mean into the time lord type person while they celebrated their wedding night it altered the unborn child.

Dave9946 · 05-06-2011, 11:37

Does anyone think this is by design or fault that this could be a big clue to how the Time Lords came to be with the reguards to being able to regenerate or there prolonged life etc with what we found out about the baby last night?. Will this be mentioned in the second half of the series, will it turn out by whats already been said that the baby will have 2 hearts?. Did the baby as an adult ever have any babies and therefor Time Lord to?.

So many future possable options for stories.

BenMcr · 05-06-2011, 11:40

I think they were hinting that the Time Lords were created by exposure to the Vortex, and weren't always so. So it's quite possible that River/Melody is a human Time Lord(ish)

Having two hearts could have something that the race that became the Time Lords already had

Dave9946 · 05-06-2011, 11:48

Well since I started watching Dr Who back in the original days I always thought that the Time Lords evolved from humans anyway for some reason (dont recall it really being hinted at though) due to far to many a connection between the both over the years that I'd not think is show budget related.

There were some interesting stories from the McCoy eara that hinted a connection between the Time Lords (Silver Nemesis & Battlefield to name 2) and Earth history. So possably something they will comfirm or carry on with from the original series but in a more modern way for the new viewer?.

Blackened · 05-06-2011, 12:12

So if River Song is the young girl in the space suit and the Doctor's killer/in Stormcage for it aaaaand it'd probably turn out that she's killed the 'flesh' Doctor - why doesn't she already know it [that's she killed the flesh Doctor]? I mean, she's always so sad about this looming ending?

joglynne · 05-06-2011, 13:20

My head hurts. Is River still from the future or have we caught up with her in her present?

BenMcr · 05-06-2011, 13:22

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Originally Posted by joglynne

My head hurts. Is River still from the future or have we caught up with her in her present?

Well as she's just been born we've sort of caught up. However considering the Doctor at the start of the series who was 200 years older than the one we are currently watching had got a diary with some events that matched River's, I would think we've not got the point where they've run out of things they have done together

Kymmy · 05-06-2011, 13:54

It was hinted at quite early on that River had killed the Doctor and that's why she was in prison.. I think it might have been the episode with the religious commandos and the angels (S5e4 The time of Angels)

BenMcr · 05-06-2011, 13:57

Though considering she doesn't actually seem to be spent much time inside the Stormcage you wonder why they bother lol

Stephen · 05-06-2011, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Dave9946

Does anyone think this is by design or fault that this could be a big clue to how the Time Lords came to be with the reguards to being able to regenerate or there prolonged life etc with what we found out about the baby last night?. Will this be mentioned in the second half of the series, will it turn out by whats already been said that the baby will have 2 hearts?. Did the baby as an adult ever have any babies and therefor Time Lord to?.

So many future possable options for stories.

The Baby, or River is still human but with some Timelord DNA added due to the Time Vortex.

The Doctor has to hearts as he is from Galifrey. That has no bearing on the Timelord thing.

Lord Nikon · 05-06-2011, 14:32

Just another small point, Rory is described as 'a very good man' and went to war... The very good man River is jailed for killing doesn't have to be the doctor.

BenMcr · 05-06-2011, 14:36

Although in Confidential, when SM was talking about the Good Man I'm sure he was referring to the Doctor and the army he brought together

Tezcatlipoca · 05-06-2011, 14:52

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Everything certainly seems to point to the regenerating little girl being River.

I believe the Doctor said that Amy was taken before they went to America, so was their prisoner all this time. I'd have to surmise then, that the Silence only swapped pregnant Amy, and eye patch lady did the rest.

As for putting her in a spacesuit.. no definite thoughts on that, but.. There was a lot of talk about fashioning the baby into a weapon. The doctor was also described as a weapon, and i would guess that they would want to control their weapon. If it was known that the baby had "a time head" it's likely they wanted it for those qualities, especially the ability to fly a T.A.R.D.I.S. If you remember, we've so far seen 2 other T.A.R.D.I.S's, the first one in The Lodger episode, and the second in The Impossible Astronaut, which also happened to be the same location where the little girl in the spacesuit first appeared.

And a possible motivation for requiring their own Time Lord to pilot their knockoff T.A.R.D.I.S instead of one of their own people, could be that it's believed by those involved, that only a Time Lord can.. Remember The alliance believed that "Only the Doctor can fly the T.A.R.D.I.S" in The Pandorica Opens?

Anyways.. I think (for now at least) that baby River was taken, conditioned (similar to what happened to Captain Jack's brother Gray in Torchwood) and while under the big bad's control, kills the Flesh Doctor (who has been playing decoy for our Doctor) at least until she is eventually freed by our Doctor. Her ending up in the Stormcage, might be because those who sentence her, recognize that the Flesh doctor was a real person in his own right?

One thing I'm still stuck on, is that when the Doctor and River were examining the empty space suit, it was mentioned that when the little girl got scared, the suit's communication systems automatically established contact with the most powerful person in the land, in this case, the President of the United States. Is it me, or does this seem like a pretty dumb feature to incorporate into the suit of someone who should be keeping a ridiculously low profile? The only thing i can think of, is that the Doctor travels back and rigs it to do that, at a later date..

I thought that as Amy had been swapped before America it may not have even been The Silence who took her? When we saw her taken by The Silence, wasn't that when they were already in the USA, so surely they only took the Ganger Amy?

Spacesuit & knockoff TARDIS... yeah, could all be necessary for their (apparent) plan to control Melody & use her to kill The Doctor.

As you say, though, the communication system seems an odd feature...

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Originally Posted by Blackened

So if River Song is the young girl in the space suit and the Doctor's killer/in Stormcage for it aaaaand it'd probably turn out that she's killed the 'flesh' Doctor - why doesn't she already know it [that's she killed the flesh Doctor]? I mean, she's always so sad about this looming ending?

- Maybe she forgot or had her memory wiped.

- Maybe she did remember, did know, but couldn't say anything or do anything as it had to play out as it had already played out.

And we don't know that it was a flesh Doctor...

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Though considering she doesn't actually seem to be spent much time inside the Stormcage you wonder why they bother lol

You have to wonder why she is even there in the first place... If the "clerics" were the ones who wanted to user her as a weapon against The Doctor, why would they imprison her for [his?] murder?

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon

Just another small point, Rory is described as 'a very good man' and went to war... The very good man River is jailed for killing doesn't have to be the doctor.

Good point... maybe it will turn out that she killed her father...

Hom3r · 05-06-2011, 15:17

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I'm very critical of this doctor,

However I really enjoyed this episode. I considered the possibility of Song being the girl from the first episode but couldn't say for certain.

I think the story of David tenant coming back interesting and highly plausible. Lot sure about peter davidson though

Well DT could come back using the same reason as Amy, and he splats MS, but this would deny MS regeneration, but would be one helva twist.

Blackened · 05-06-2011, 15:33

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And we don't know that it was a flesh Doctor...

True - but what are the alternatives? She killed the real Doctor so no more Doctor or replaced by River Song? Hard to say really as it could be anyone she killed anyway. Just the way she's on about 'this being it' and the last this that and the other and Amy telling the girl in the Space Suit she killed The Doctor. lol. Who knows.