The state benefits system mega-thread.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

A man left a suicide note blaming the DWP for his suicide and it is still trying to evade responsibility:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...esponsibility/

But you must surely acknowledge that people can say a lot of things which are untrue or unfair when their balance of mind is disturbed. I'm not saying that this was the case here, but just because a statement is made in a suicide note it doesn't necessarily mean it is true. If the DWP is challenging it, then clearly there is more to this story than meets the eye.

[jfman]

If a Government department is challenging something that would cause them huge reputational damage, there has to be more than meets the eye?

You've jumped the shark, Old Boy. A parody of your former self.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

If a Government department is challenging something that would cause them huge reputational damage, there has to be more than meets the eye?

You've jumped the shark, Old Boy. A parody of your former self.

There is no point in challenging something if it is obvious it will go against you. They must have evidence to support their case, or there wouldn't be a case.

One thing stuck out in that hysterical press item. He was ordered to attend a work capability assessment and refused.

Not the best way of getting your payments reassessed, I would have thought.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There is no point in challenging something if it is obvious it will go against you. They must have evidence to support their case, or there wouldn't be a case.

One thing stuck out in that hysterical press item. He was ordered to attend a work capability assessment and refused.

Not the best way of getting your payments reassessed, I would have thought.

Hillsborough? Bloody Sunday? Met police and the Steven Lawrence murder?

Successive UK Governments have a history of knowing that the 'little guy' of limited means can be ground down by denial after denial, with limited recourse through the legal system, often taking decades.

[nomadking]

It described how he was ordered to attend a “work capability assessment” and refused.

His active choice.

I only exist to do what I want to do.

Link

A week on from his funeral, Mr Habayeb's parents, Fuab and Annabela, said they had fought for six years to see him after he told social workers he did not want any contact with his family and his wish was granted.
...
The local authorities would not give them any information about their vulnerable son because he was an adult, they added.
It is understood that Mr Habayeb had ended his contact with social services before his death.

The note had been written in the summer yet:-

Mr Habayeb was last seen alive in November 2018, according to his parents, who have questioned how he wasn't discovered sooner.

In the recent Ed Stafford homeless documentary, somebody complained that they stopped his benefits, when he admitted that it was because he had refused a DLA/PIP assessment. He left a home(still probably empty) on Merseyside, to go to London because begging on the streets of London was more lucrative. His complaint about the required assessment was that he needed it at home in Merseyside. If he could travel to and around London, then he could easily travelled to an assessment centre.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

His active choice.

Link
The note had been written in the summer yet:-

In the recent Ed Stafford homeless documentary, somebody complained that they stopped his benefits, when he admitted that it was because he had refused a DLA/PIP assessment. He left a home(still probably empty) on Merseyside, to go to London because begging on the streets of London was more lucrative. His complaint about the required assessment was that he needed it at home in Merseyside. If he could travel to and around London, then he could easily travelled to an assessment centre.

Nice strategy, deflect from the case at hand onto another one that it's easier to defend the position of the DWP.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nice strategy, deflect from the case at hand onto another one that it's easier to defend the position of the DWP.

Did I say anything that wasn't true? I found other link(s) to the story. The Ed Stafford story was connected, as the person had refused to attend an examination, when they were perfectly able to do so.


Any story/post that includes the following is utter garbage.

Going back to Ms Dove: she started a petition for an independent inquiry into DWP-related deaths. The government has refused – point-blank – to hold one, in spite of all the evidence that its civil servants have caused many deaths – more than 100,000 are known.

[RichardCoulter]

Disabled people are amongst those more likely to be sanctioned, some advice here for those who are affected:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/b...s-cuts-3382555

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More evidence of the sloppy way that Universal Credit is being processed by the DWP, leading to both under and overpayments:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rrors-20524454

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Further evidence of the new culture at the DWP, I suspect that this is caused by cuts to staffing levels and the vast amount of professional & experienced staff that have left or been made redundant:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...aking-20468965

Disabled people are accused of "faking it", it is suggested that other claimants should be "rounded up and a grenade thrown into them", that they have "no time" for those who "have anxiety or depression" or who "whinge" despite "getting something for nothing".

These attitudes are often cascaded downwards from the top, starting with Camerons Government.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Disabled people are amongst those more likely to be sanctioned, some advice here for those who are affected:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/b...s-cuts-3382555

---------- Post added at 19:56 ---------- Previous post was at 19:53 ----------

More evidence of the sloppy way that Universal Credit is being processed by the DWP, leading to both under and overpayments:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rrors-20524454

---------- Post added at 20:03 ---------- Previous post was at 19:56 ----------

Further evidence of the new culture at the DWP, I suspect that this is caused by cuts to staffing levels and the vast amount of professional & experienced staff that have left or been made redundant:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...aking-20468965

Disabled people are accused of "faking it", it is suggested that other claimants should be "rounded up and a grenade thrown into them", that they have "no time" for those who "have anxiety or depression" or who "whinge" despite "getting something for nothing".

These attitudes are often cascaded downwards from the top, starting with Camerons Government.

It's the way this country is going unfortunately Richard. The rate of successful PIP appeals (70%) is evidence of the Govts corruption. What's devastating is those that are entitled but don't appeal, convinced the 'authorities' must be right. A sick country.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's the way this country is going unfortunately Richard. The rate of successful PIP appeals (70%) is evidence of the Govts corruption. What's devastating is those that are entitled but don't appeal, convinced the 'authorities' must be right. A sick country.

The rate of successful PIP appeals (70%) tell you that the assessment process is deeply flawed that is for sure.

[RichardCoulter]

Some good news about one of the baseless assumptions that the so called 'healthcare professionals' have been making about people in pain to deny their entitlement to benefits:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...P5mXRA_1NHQeXA

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's the way this country is going unfortunately Richard. The rate of successful PIP appeals (70%) is evidence of the Govts corruption. What's devastating is those that are entitled but don't appeal, convinced the 'authorities' must be right. A sick country.

Or evidence 30% were unworthy claims,and the government has saved the taxpayer a fortune.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Or evidence 30% were unworthy claims,and the government has saved the taxpayer a fortune.

Not really all these appeals/ tribunals are costing more than they're saving. Costs have gone up 20% since PIP introduction !
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/ne...nstead-of-down

[RichardCoulter]

Dying man told to get a job by DWP:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...-any-benefits/

Terminally ill woman has her PIP stopped because she isn't dying fast enough:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...g-fast-enough/

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Dying man told to get a job by DWP:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...-any-benefits/

Terminally ill woman has her PIP stopped because she isn't dying fast enough:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...g-fast-enough/

Hmm.

It would be great to see a full and impartial presentation of the facts of both those cases, without the accompanying value judgments (the DWP and its agents might be harsh and bureaucratic but are they really trying to speed people to their graves? Really?).

I don’t think a balanced treatment of anything is likely to arise from that website.