[Merged] Football talk - Page 157

Russ · 18-01-2005, 13:06

Yes, I said United have spent BIG - but also have a very successful youth policy. Chelsea just had some russian appear from nowhere and start throwing the cash about, thus eliminating any last traces of a 'sport'.

nffc · 18-01-2005, 13:40

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Yes, I said United have spent BIG - but also have a very successful youth policy. Chelsea just had some russian appear from nowhere and start throwing the cash about, thus eliminating any last traces of a 'sport'.

Yes but they spent before as well.

Lampard (11m), Hasselbaink (7.5m), Gudjohnsen (4m) being a few salient examples. Di Matteo, Zola... list goes on!

They're only speeding up the team building process. They didn't spend that much last summer and they probably won't this. Mourinho only wants a small squad.

United have spent big? Let's take a look at the team from Saturday.
Man Utd: Carroll (Wigan, 2.5m, 2001), Phil Neville (YTS), Brown (YTS), Silvestre (Inter, 4m, 1999), Heinze (6.9m, PSG, 2004), Fletcher (YTS), Keane (Forest, 3.5m, 1993), Scholes (YTS), Ronaldo (Lisbon, 12.24m, 2003) (O'Shea (YTS) 67), Rooney (Everton, 20m, 2004) (Bellion (Sunderland, 2m, 2003) 90), Saha (Fulham, 12.82m, 2004) (Fortune (A Madrid, 1.25m, 1999) 79).
Subs Not Used: Howard (MLS, 2.3m), Miller (Celtic, free, 2004).

Total- 5 YTS players in first 16, ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£67.51m . That's spending big.

Russ · 18-01-2005, 13:45

Erm, I'm sure you didn't intend to but thanks for backing up my point....

nffc · 18-01-2005, 13:56

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Erm, I'm sure you didn't intend to but thanks for backing up my point....

The only point I backed up was the one we were in accord over ie United had spent big.

Chelsea spent before Abramovich and will continue to do so.

The fact you were so ready to gloat about United's kids, so good they're not in the team- where did I back that up?

Oh and compare Utd's XI with Forest's arguably best XI:

Gerrard (Everton, free, 2004), Louis-Jean (Le Havre, free, 1998), Rogers (Leicester, free, 2004), Dawson (YTS), Morgan (YTS), Commons (Stoke, 300k, 2004), Derry (loan), Bopp (YTS), Reid (YTS), King (Gillingham, 950k, 2003), Harris (Millwall, free, 2004)

4 YTS players (and plenty in reserve), 4 free transfers, total assembled 1.25m.

Look outside the premiership and that is pretty common.

Now come again...

Russ · 18-01-2005, 13:59

Who said I was gloating over United's kids? Why would I do that when their youth policy is well documented??

And and on the subject of comparing Forest with United, take a quick look at their respective league positions before you make any more comparisons in future

sherer · 18-01-2005, 14:18

as i think Russ said a few posts ago yes we have spent big of late..but only after we started earing that on and off the pitch.. Ruud, Rio and Rooney being the big ones we have always had a youth setup as well ever since the days of Busby.. we have always relied on this coupled with a few big buys..

i don't think we are as bad as Chelsea but I don't think in today's day and age we could do a 99 and get all the way to the treble with just a youth setup.. you have to buy now to compete with the other clubs going for the title but you have to spend well or you end up like Leeds..

if you don't buy you don't win..

it does seem silly the prices some players go for though..

nffc · 18-01-2005, 15:28

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Who said I was gloating over United's kids? Why would I do that when their youth policy is well documented??

And and on the subject of comparing Forest with United, take a quick look at their respective league positions before you make any more comparisons in future

How many champions league wins again?

Mal · 18-01-2005, 15:32

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How many champions league wins again?

2 overall

Russ · 18-01-2005, 15:42

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How many champions league wins again?

Hehe, ok, you win. I won't mention Premier league titles or FA Cup wins

gazzae · 18-01-2005, 15:46

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Hehe, ok, you win. I won't mention Premier league titles or FA Cup wins

Surely it should be a draw? Forest have won it the same amount of times as Man Utd.

nffc · 18-01-2005, 15:52

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How many champions league wins again?

Hehe, ok, you win. I won't mention Premier league titles or FA Cup wins

Competitions for reserve teams don't count.

Russ · 18-01-2005, 16:05

....really? I wasn't aware you were making up the rules as you go along. In that case, perhaps that's why we've not mentioned the league cup.

Mal · 18-01-2005, 16:45

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Surely it should be a draw? Forest have won it the same amount of times as Man Utd.

Definately a draw. 1968 & 1999 for us and was it '76 & '77 for forest (could be '77 & '78)

gazzae · 18-01-2005, 16:57

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Definately a draw. 1968 & 1999 for us and was it '76 & '77 for forest (could be '77 & '78)

79 and 80 was it not?

nffc · 18-01-2005, 18:21

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Definately a draw. 1968 & 1999 for us and was it '76 & '77 for forest (could be '77 & '78)

79 and 80 was it not?

One point to the man in the [dunno] coloured shirt... it was 79-80. Meaning exactly 25 yrs ago we're going down again.

Of course, when Utd won it in 99 they weren't champions.