Brexit discussion

Originally Posted by Dave42

not a big issue your having a laugh tell that to the tories and dup the EU and Ireland and Northern Ireland if it not rocket science come on then tell us the answer

Come on then nothing. I couldn't give a toss what the EU think, we are leaving them, so why would I care what to tell those idiots?

What point of, I have already said what I wanted to say about NI, did you not understand ?

It's not an issue that some Remainers make it out to be.

[Hom3r]

Can we have another general election as the tories got in and I didn't want them to win. NO because thats how democracy works.

The same goes for Brexit.

On another thing some idiot on facebook made me laugh by saying Toys 'R' Us and Maplin went under because of Brexit, what a crock.

They've been strucggling long before Brexit.

[1andrew1]

As some try and understand the Irish situation, the USA looks less and less likely a candidate for a British trade deal despite our lobbying.

UK industry fears as Donald Trump imposes 'devastating' steel tariff
Donald Trump has risked a transatlantic trade war by revealing he will impose a 25 per cent tariff on all steel imports in a move that could have a “devastating” impact on the UK industry.
The US president said he planned to make the announcement next week and also said there would be a 10 per cent tariff on aluminium.
It came despite fierce lobbying from British cabinet ministers and officials as well as infighting among senior Trump administration figures over the repercussions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-steel-tariff/

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Can we have another general election as the tories got in and I didn't want them to win. NO because thats how democracy works.

The same goes for Brexit.

On another thing some idiot on facebook made me laugh by saying Toys 'R' Us and Maplin went under because of Brexit, what a crock.

They've been strucggling long before Brexit.

If the DUP withdraws its support then we will have another election.
Strange that Toys'R'Us in the Eurozone is still trading but is closing down in the UK. Hmm.

Originally Posted by Hom3r

On another thing some idiot on facebook made me laugh by saying Toys 'R' Us and Maplin went under because of Brexit, what a crock.

They've been strucggling long before Brexit.

The term desperation takes hold with some remainers, they want to selfishly believe failure is due to Brexit when it's not, just to prove their invalid points, that we needed to stay, when we do not.

Note that Toys 'R' Us in America is also suffering I believe.

5 Reasons they suffered.... And not one of them mentions the 'B' word...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43210854

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If the DUP withdraws its support then we will have another election.
Strange that Toys'R'Us in the Eurozone is still trading but is closing down in the UK. Hmm.

The DUP is not going to withdraw it's support, it's desperate wishful thinking, one of the major reasons, they don't want a Corbyn led Labour Party in power, he has to win more votes as well and they will not under Corbyn and his Antisemitic/Racist/Socialist/IRA supporting cohorts.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The term desperation takes hold with some remainers, they want to selfishly believe failure is due to Brexit when it's not, just to prove their invalid points, that we needed to stay, when we do not.

Note that Toys 'R' Us in America is also suffering I believe.

5 Reasons they suffered.... And not one of them mentions the 'B' word...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43210854

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The DUP is not going to withdraw it's support, it's desperate wishful thinking, one of the major reasons, they don't want a Corbyn led Labour Party in power, he has to win more votes as well and they will not under Corbyn and his Antisemitic/Racist/Socialist/IRA supporting cohorts.

Don't forget that May's speech referencing "citizens of the world and of nowhere” was seen intentionally or not to appeal to anti-semitic elements.
The DUP will only withdraw its support if there's a hard border between GB and NI. It's likely that the Government would fall before this stage making their withdrawal unnecessary.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's likely that the Government would fall before this stage making their withdrawal unnecessary.

Again, wishful thinking on your part Andrew.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Again, wishful thinking on your part Andrew.

Not wishful thinking, i'd rather have Theresa May in power but with her brextremists exiled to La La Land than JC in No. 10. But without a solution to Ireland and Gibraltar for that matter, the future of the Government is not looking good.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Come on then nothing. I couldn't give a toss what the EU think, we are leaving them, so why would I care what to tell those idiots?

What point of, I have already said what I wanted to say about NI, did you not understand ?

It's not an issue that some Remainers make it out to be.

How do you answer the Ireland dilemma? The easiest way that works is to remain as is or Bino. (Brexit in name only)
- Hard Brexit with our own trade deals means a hard border with Ireland... which all parties have said they won't have.
- Technological solutions don't exist.
- Having NI under EU rules means a hard border between GB and NI whcih is unacceptable, particularly to the DUP.

I appreciate that like many Brexiters, you may wish to put this question in the too-difficult pile or say the dog eat your homework. Theresa May doesn't have this option.

[Mr K]

Well we could 'give Ireland back to the Irish' as the Macca sang !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaO4XeHhwo8
(strangely not one of his hits, nice melody as you'd expect, but people just didn't like the lyrics !)

They've been nothing but trouble from either side of the divide. Theresa might lose her majority, but hey ho...

[Carth]

in a quote from Andrrew "Donald Trump has risked a transatlantic trade war by revealing he will impose a 25 per cent tariff on all steel imports"

We could have done with a similar thing a few years ago, but our lot are too soft and unwilling to 'upset' people

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Carth

in a quote from Andrrew "Donald Trump has risked a transatlantic trade war by revealing he will impose a 25 per cent tariff on all steel imports"

We could have done with a similar thing a few years ago, but our lot are too soft and unwilling to 'upset' people

Or maybe we realise we'd just get tariffs back, which would and start a global trade war which benefits nobody ? I'm sure the Donald did 'thinking' on this.

Mrs T has ensured we have no manufacturing industry left, so we've not much to put tariffs on.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Carth

in a quote from Andrrew "Donald Trump has risked a transatlantic trade war by revealing he will impose a 25 per cent tariff on all steel imports"

We could have done with a similar thing a few years ago, but our lot are too soft and unwilling to 'upset' people

It would certainly hurt the UK if The Donald imposed steel tariffs on all steel imports to the US, but if that's what he is going to do it would affect us whether we are part of the EU or not.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It would certainly hurt the UK if The Donald imposed steel tariffs on all steel imports to the US, but if that's what he is going to do it would affect us whether we are part of the EU or not.

Yup. We also need to see if we're excluded from the tariff as it's not clear yet. Rumors are Trump's cabinet have advised him either not to impose tariffs or to exclude their closer trade partners but from what we've heard so far that advise hasn't been taken.

If we are included though I would say it's a warning of how difficult it's actually going to be to strike up a fair trade deal with a protectionist US government.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yup. We also need to see if we're excluded from the tariff as it's not clear yet. Rumors are Trump's cabinet have advised him either not to impose tariffs or to exclude their closer trade partners but from what we've heard so far that advise hasn't been taken.

If we are included though I would say it's a warning of how difficult it's actually going to be to strike up a fair trade deal with a protectionist US government.

The steel tariffs will cover the UK as well.

Last month, the commerce department recommended three separate options for each metal: a global tariff, tariffs targeted at China and other key countries mixed with quotas, and a universal quota. Mr Trump opted for the global tariff option, potentially subjecting imports from all countries to the hefty levy.

https://www.ft.com/content/d8c3812a-...a-4574d7dabfb6

I've read that most US steel imports are from neighbouring countries with Canada being the most likely impacted. Some European companies will benefit as they have mills in the US but if countries respond by blocking US imports in other areas such as drink then world GDP could suffer.

May's about to make her speech defining what she envisions the future relationship will look like.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

May's about to make her speech defining what she envisions the future relationship will look like.

If Theresa just mentions the five general principals again that won't cut the mustard. There's only so far that the can may be kicked down the road!
We're now twenty months down the line and the Government needs to define how it will square the no hard Irish border situation with striking its own trade deals.