02-09-2021, 14:18
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Shenanigans are better fun than sitting staring out of the window wondering if it will start to rain when/if I get the lawn mower out
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02-09-2021, 14:19
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Shenanigans are better fun than sitting staring out of the window wondering if it will start to rain when/if I get the lawn mower out
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Get a robotic lawnmower
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02-09-2021, 14:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Please forgive me, but you've just made a totally irrelevant statement. The sentence makes no sense.
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Which bit would you like clarification on?
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02-09-2021, 14:26
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
And good afternoon to you too
Any withdrawal agreement had to contain provisions to protect the peace in Northern Ireland that is a simple fact.
Boris knew what no deal meant, for all his gibberish & lunacy he’s not stupid.
Shenanigans are fun
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No it didn't - at least not to the extent of the straightjacket negotiated by May. The Protocol was negotiated on the EU's terms not on any basis of mutual negotiation. The EU was egged on by the perfidious Varadkar, anxious to protect his economy and nothing else. There were other available solutions to keeping the border open that the EU bluntly refused to entertain.
Looking forward while we rebuild after Covid, we can diverge including on GB/NI trade; and we should and take no legalistic nonsense from the EU.
The EU is a bad egg.
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Which bit would you like clarification on?
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None - your sentence made no sense.
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02-09-2021, 14:30
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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No it didn't - at least not to the extent of the straightjacket negotiated by May. The Protocol was negotiated on the EU's terms not on any basis of mutual negotiation. The EU was egged on by the perfidious Varadkar, anxious to protect his economy and nothing else. There were other available solutions to keeping the border open that the EU bluntly refused to entertain.
Looking forward while we rebuild after Covid, we can diverge including on GB/NI trade; and we should and take no legalistic nonsense from the EU.
The EU is a bad egg.
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None - your sentence made no sense.
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Wahey !!!!!!
How else could a hard border have been prevented ? The much vaunted technological route was quickly dismissed as the technology is approx five years away.
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02-09-2021, 14:48
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Which bit would you like clarification on?
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Nothing. The sentence makes no sense so doesn't need clarification. You may wish to post what you really meant to say in words that do make sense. For example:
"We elect people to Parliament, usually from a particular party that we support in one way or another. Parliament votes on draft laws presented to it by government. Sometimes, government executes policies without further reference to Parliament and this can be subject to legal challenge (and has been).
From that, if it was what you meant, who knows what Parliament would have done with a No Deal decision.
But Boris didn't have the balls to try this.
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02-09-2021, 14:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Wahey !!!!!!
How else could a hard border have been prevented ? The much vaunted technological route was quickly dismissed as the technology is approx five years away.
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Exactly. I'm still waiting for Old Boy to post a link to this working technology he keeps on citing. Alas, he's thrown his 10p's worth in and then fled more quickly than a Yodel courier at Christmas.
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02-09-2021, 14:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
>snip< . . Parliament votes on draft laws presented to it by government. Sometimes, government executes policies without further reference to Parliament and this can be subject to legal challenge (and has been).
From that, if it was what you meant, who knows what Parliament would have done with a No Deal decision.
But Boris didn't have the balls to try this.
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I think the amount of 'Shenanigans' ( ) by remain orientated people in the previous few years would have shown him it wasn't a route that would be cleared anytime soon
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02-09-2021, 14:58
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I think the amount of 'Shenanigans' ( ) by remain orientated people in the previous few years would have shown him it wasn't a route that would be cleared anytime soon
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That makes no sense. Article 50 had been triggered so the countdown to no deal was ticking.
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02-09-2021, 15:04
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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That makes no sense.
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Just trying to fit in Andrew, lots of irrelevant waffle about something that happened ages ago, and some of us have already put behind us
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02-09-2021, 15:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I think the amount of 'Shenanigans' ( ) by remain orientated people in the previous few years would have shown him it wasn't a route that would be cleared anytime soon
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So Boris isn't capable of getting his own party into line? Well, why no leadership contest to replace him ?
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02-09-2021, 15:37
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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So Boris isn't capable of getting his own party into line? Well, why no leadership contest to replace him ?
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Dunno.
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02-09-2021, 15:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Maybe whoever wants to take the lead in the future knows that doing so now would buy them a poison chalice.
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02-09-2021, 16:08
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Maybe whoever wants to take the lead in the future knows that doing so now would buy them a poison chalice.
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Why? Surely they will be playing a leading role in delivering us to the sunny uplands.
Unshackled from the burdens of Johnson's immigration policy, they will be able to devise an immigration policy that works for the country and helps fill Wetherspoons with lagers and supermarkets with great British produce.
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02-09-2021, 16:09
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Maybe whoever wants to take the lead in the future knows that doing so now would buy them a poison chalice.
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An interesting point. There are crunch points coming.
31-October is one when the 3 month grace on NI expires; the court cases whenever they are re-invoked will be another.
The EU holds the trade agreement over the UK's head if we default on the NI Protocol and what's more the EU decides on whether or not the UK has defaulted.
So, the wobble point now is GB/NI trade. My understanding is that the UK intends to honour the customs border in the Irish sea, though the necessary systems appear not to be ready. However the meat products trade is likely to remain the flash point on which someone needs to bend over. I don't think Boris has the balls to stand firm after the grace extension finishes. So expect the EU to get difficult and pretend that they were always reasonable.
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