The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

The way I understand it is that as soon as I buy Gary's car I have to ring up or go on line to buy tax and as soon as I do that they will check to see if I am insured to drive that car

You may have to call the insurance first. you wouldn't already have insurance to drive it away.

but then you might feel like you can't be bothered with it all and not bother.

and you might want to come back at the beginning of the next month when the tax will be cheaper.

if I've still got it.

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Originally Posted by martyh

so no difference then ,crooks clone cars now even with a tax disc and the only way a cop could tell was if the car was stopped and they checked the vin or glass security

No difference to those that already do it. but a difference to those who didn't do it before when someone would be able to glance at the disc and match up the reg number to the car.

as long as you don't attract attention to your driving. then you can quite freely drive and park it without any problem.

[QUOTE=Gary L;35731639]You may have to call the insurance first. you wouldn't already have insurance to drive it away. but then you might feel like you can't be bothered with it all and not bother. and you might want to come back at the beginning of the next month when the tax will be cheaper. if I've still got it.
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Gone off it now ,rusty piece of junk


No difference to those that already do it. but a difference to those who didn't do it before when someone would be able to glance at the disc and match up the reg number to the car.

Instead they just look at the glass where the disc used to be and match up the reg number

[Gary L]

[QUOTE=martyh;35731647]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Gone off it now ,rusty piece of junk

We're talking about my car. not your Transit van

Instead they just look at the glass where the disc used to be and match up the reg number

Vins are codes. the reg number isn't in there.

when somebody gets a routine stop. the police would usually check your tax whilst talking to you.
and check the reg matches.
now they'll probably not bother calling it in. and you'll be free to go on your way.

and the car being parked. they're not going to bother at all.

[Taf]

DVLA ANPR vans are often seen around here on the housing estates and local supermarket carparks. And I see quite a few vehicles getting clamped by them.

[QUOTE=Gary L;35731656]

Originally Posted by martyh

We're talking about my car. not your Transit van .

Don't have a transit anymore ,got myself a brand new Crafter jumbo , new transits look like guppies

Vins are codes. the reg number isn't in there.

when somebody gets a routine stop. the police would usually check your tax whilst talking to you.
and check the reg matches.
now they'll probably not bother calling it in. and you'll be free to go on your way.

and the car being parked. they're not going to bother at all.

I think all the objections come from cops that worry the job is getting a bit too technical for them ,instead of just looking at a piece of paper they will have to do some real work and call it in which they would anyway just to check the licence of the driver and make sure there are no warrants so really no real change

[Derek]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think all the objections come from cops that worry the job is getting a bit too technical for them ,instead of just looking at a piece of paper they will have to do some real work and call it in which they would anyway just to check the licence of the driver and make sure there are no warrants so really no real change

So cops, who some think have speed guns surgically grafted to their arm and have to deal with radios, PDAs, in car data terminals, umpteen different computer systems at the office and everything else think cant run a vehicle check as it's beyond them?

As I've said before countless times the issue isn't about doing the check, it's about choosing who to perform a check on.

You might be happy for a full PNC check on your car and occupants to be undertaken during any interaction but I'm not especially when that can take 5 minutes plus per check.

A handy visual indicator on prominent display let the police filter out who and when full checks occur on.

[Gary L]

That's what I've been trying to tell him, Derek. but I just get it's not a problem

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Not if they drive without attracting the attention of the fuzz .

I did some planning work for a fibre connection that involved new ANPR cameras. I was talking to there IT guy whilst i was completing the survey, he said they can detect if a number comes up in different areas of the country and then raise a stop on that registration number next time its detected by anpr in a police car. !!

[BenMcr]

I assume that's if they appear in different areas of the country at the same time / too soon to actually drive there, rather than in general

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I assume that's if they appear in different areas of the country at the same time / too soon to actually drive there, rather than in general

Thats what he hinted at.

Originally Posted by Derek

So cops, who some think have speed guns surgically grafted to their arm and have to deal with radios, PDAs, in car data terminals, umpteen different computer systems at the office and everything else think cant run a vehicle check as it's beyond them? As I've said before countless times the issue isn't about doing the check, it's about choosing who to perform a check on. You might be happy for a full PNC check on your car and occupants to be undertaken during any interaction but I'm not especially when that can take 5 minutes plus per check. A handy visual indicator on prominent display let the police filter out who and when full checks occur on.

Sorry Derek,i just don't buy that the removal of the tax disc is going to cause so many problems .Look at it this way there has never been any visual aid for valid insurance and yet people are allowed to buy a car with tax on it thus bypassing the need for getting insurance immediately ,the only way to catch these people is by doing a PNC check and/or phoning any insurance company the driver claims to be with .I really can't see why things will be so much harder for the police

[Derek]

Originally Posted by martyh

Sorry Derek,i just don't buy that the removal of the tax disc is going to cause so many problems...I really can't see why things will be so much harder for the police

Except not having a valid tax disc is one of the immediate indicators that a car might not have insurance and a bit more digging needs to be done. The don't and can't check very car, removing an immediate way to choose which cars to target makes their lives harder.

Still it'll reduce the crime figures even more which will make some people happy.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

Except not having a valid tax disc is one of the immediate indicators that a car might not have insurance and a bit more digging needs to be done. The don't and can't check very car, removing an immediate way to choose which cars to target makes their lives harder.

Still it'll reduce the crime figures even more which will make some people happy.

If only the authorities would embrace technology eh?

[joglynne]

Not quite the same thing as checking for car road tax/insurance violations I know but the Trafford Center near me has had number plate recognition in place since 1993 so locating these none compliant drivers wouldn't be beyond the scope of what is already in place I assume.

I understand from talking to local Police officers that being able to wait for their potential 'naughty boy' to wander back to their car in the car park is quite convenient.

Quote from 2007 article ... Home Office minister Baroness Scotland praises security system built on Civica ANPR technology at Trafford Park shopping centre, Manchester, following reduction in car crime by 65 per cent.
Civica, one of the UKs most experienced providers of consulting, software and services for the public sector, working with Greater Manchester Police (GMP) has helped the Trafford Centre shopping complex cut vehicle crime by 65 per cent using its Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology.

The 285,000 ANPR system has been part funded by the Home Office and praised by Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland earlier this year after incidents at the shopping centre were reduced from an average of 40 per month to just eight. The Trafford Centre has approximately 20 million visitors each year.

A new extension means the ANPR camera system now covers 12,000 car parking spaces and, since its first installation in 2003, has led to the arrest of more than 100 offenders and the recovery of over 100 stolen vehicles.

Civicas ANPR system is integrated with the Trafford Centres existing CCTV technology platform and uses specialist cameras to capture images of number plates of all vehicles entering the area, day and night.

The ANPR software simultaneously compares the registrations with GMP and all its partners records of vehicles associated with criminals or crime - locally, regionally and nationally. If there is a match, the system instantly alerts the police force and its partners, the Trafford Centre and local retailers security teams.<snip>

http://www.parking-net.com/parking-n...rafford-centre

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Not quite the same thing as checking for car road tax/insurance violations I know but the Trafford Center near me has had number plate recognition in place since 1993 so locating these none compliant drivers wouldn't be beyond the scope of what is already in place I assume.

I understand from talking to local Police officers that being able to wait for their potential 'naughty boy' to wander back to their car in the car park is quite convenient.
http://www.parking-net.com/parking-n...rafford-centre

Princess Park Way and Kingsway have ANPR along there route from the motorway to the city centre