[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by marty

This is what Maude said “As and when it makes sense, a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can is a sensible precaution to take.” That is most definitely not telling people to stockpile fuel in their garages .The fact that some people interpreted it to mean ,keep gallons of fuel in containers and decant into glass jugs next to a naked flame is not the governments fault .The only blame that can be placed on the government is not legislating for idiots .If people want to keep a spare gallon in their garage then they can do quite safely as many people already do ,(we are not all idiots despite what the fire service may think)they can put it next to the paint thinners,oil based paint and petrol for the lawn mower that a lot of people already have in their garages .

The Government laid themselves open to this. Its obvious that to the Labour lovies this was a godsend and they could milk every last drop of it, infact the lovies reminded me of a panicky person running round shouting THINK OF THE CHILDREN . Don't worry i am sure they will have something else to vent there spleen on shortly. I still don't get why all those sheeple had to que for petrol , It showed just how gullible and stupid people can be.

Originally Posted by Sirius

The Government laid themselves open to this. Its obvious that to the Labour lovies this was a godsend and they could milk every last drop of it, infact the lovies reminded me of a panicky person running round shouting THINK OF THE CHILDREN . Don't worry i am sure they will have something else to vent there spleen on shortly. I still don't get why all those sheeple had to que for petrol , It showed just how gullible and stupid people can be.

Exactly ,i think it shows why this country is in such a mess ,people cannot think for themselves and to have their hand held all the time

[chris9991]

Don't know how credible this news story is

THOUSANDS of lorry drivers are preparing to join strike action by tanker drivers to bring Britain to a standstill within a month.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...tain-to-a-halt

Wouldn't surprise me

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by chris9991

Don't know how credible this news story is



http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...tain-to-a-halt

Wouldn't surprise me

What will happen instead is the Government will do a deal with the lorry drivers to reduce there vat and tax, plus give them a few other little incentives. This will then make them drop there protest and walk away happy with there little deal.

However we the car drivers will end up paying even more to cover for there reductions and incentives.

Then factor in any pay raises the Unite union will get for the tanker drivers via a back door deal.

Seems like fantasy at the moment but lets see in a few weeks time.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

What will happen instead is the Government will do a deal with the lorry drivers to reduce there vat and tax, plus give them a few other little incentives. This will then make them drop there protest and walk away happy with there little deal.

However we the car drivers will end up paying even more to cover for there reductions and incentives.

Then factor in any pay raises the Unite union will get for the tanker drivers via a back door deal.

Seems like fantasy at the moment but lets see in a few weeks time.

don't worry your union negotiated pay rise will cover it

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

don't worry your union negotiated pay rise will cover it

Only when we get recognition, We are hoping its not far off

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

This is what Maude said “As and when it makes sense, a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can is a sensible precaution to take.� That is most definately not telling people to stockpile fuel in their garages .The fact that some people interpreted it to mean ,keep gallons of fuel in containers and decant into glass jugs next to a naked flame is not the governments fault .The only blame that can be placed on the government is not legislating for idiots .If people want to keep a spare gallon in their garage then they can do quite safely as many people already do ,(we are not all idiots despite what the fire service may think)they can put it next to the paint thinners,oil based paint and petrol for the lawn mower that alot of people already have in their garages .

Well it wasn't a sensible precaution. And if you think it was then you obviously aren't aware of the dangers. And you do need the advice given out by the fire service.

Yes I agree that people have petrol for use in garden equipmet etc.. and that is a risk in itself.

It isn'really going to help matters much if you just have one jerry can of fuel is it? And as Maude didn't elaborate and warn people to only store a maximum of 10 litres, then he is responsible for the likes of the woman seen at a local Tesco garage a couple of days ago. She filled her car up, and then opened her boot, and proceeded to fill 5 jerry cans whilst they were still in the boot of her car. Now you can't seriously tell me that you think this was regular practice for her, and that she wasn't doing it because of advice given by the government.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Exactly ,i think it shows why this country is in such a mess ,people cannot think for themselves and to have their hand held all the time

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it is with many people. And these people need to be taken into account when advice is given out. It may sound patronisingfor most people, but the advice needs to be put in place to cover all levels of inteligence.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

I don't think Osem was calling you a twit just the people who blindly do what they are told without thinking and then try to blame everyone but themselves ......however if the shoe fits

Correct! He's been on my ignore list for some time......

The more HMG tries to 'think' for people the less people think for themselves. If all official comment on everything potentially dangerous (or otherwise important) is going to have to be simplified to suit the lowest common denominator in the intelligence stakes then I'm afraid many of us are in for a very boring and frustrating time.

I simply don't buy this guff that what was said encouraged people to be stupid. Stupid people don't need encouragement to practice their craft and don't tend to listen to ministers too avidly. The last time we had petrol shortages people did exactly the same thing and started filling up jerry cans and all sorts of other things (without any persuasion from the likes of Francis Maude) and every year people get burned throwing petrol and other stuff on BBQs, bonfires etc. without advice from anyone else. Sorry but some people are just stupid and no amount of learned advice will change them because they're too stupid to listen to it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Well it wasn't a sensible precaution. And if you think it was then you obviously aren't aware of the dangers. And you do need the advice given out by the fire service.

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Utter rubbish,in the event of a strike it is totally justifiable and entirely sensible to carry a jerrycan of petrol

It isn'really going to help matters much if you just have one jerry can of fuel is it?

well my 2.5 litre tranny van can do 20-25 miles on one so yes it will do a lot of good

And as Maude didn't elaborate and warn people to only store a maximum of 10 litres, then he is responsible for the likes of the woman seen at a local Tesco garage a couple of days ago.

yes he did , “As and when it makes sense, a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can is a sensible precaution to take.�

note the word BIT meaning small amount and CAN singular to cans meaning 1 only ,of course if a person only has the intelligence of bean sprout then they wouldn't understand that .

Now you can't seriously tell me that you think this was regular practice for her, and that she wasn't doing it because of advice given by the government.

No it probably wasn't ,unless she has a ride on lawn mower or some such tool or she has the inteligence of a bean sprout ,either way it's not the governments fault .Should probably mention i filled up 7 jerry cans of unleaded last week on the garage forcourt

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it is with many people. And these people need to be taken into account when advice is given out. It may sound patronisingfor most people, but the advice needs to be put in place to cover all levels of inteligence.

So what's maude supposed to do ?say something like "carry a spare can of petrol in the event of a strike ,but for all you thickos out there don't get too much and don't get it anywhere near a flame".

The majority of people are adults and should be treated as such ,we don't need or want the government or the fire service holding our hands throughout life .Some people do though and maybe it would be better for the gene pool if they didn't breed

The woman is a complete idiot who reaped the entirely forseeable consequences of handling a highly flammable liquid next to a naked flame. Despite not qualifying for a Darwin I think she still deserves a dishonourable mention for plumbing such depths of stupidity.

I am absolutely sick and tired of the elf'n'safety set banging on about how we all need to be treated like children, or morons, or both. Official advice aimed at adults should be pitched at sensible adults who are in control of their faculties and who have a reasonably developed level of common sense.

Tim, I have no doubt you've seen some horrendous stuff when dealing with the consequences of flammable liquids not being kept properly, but the thing is, all you're seeing is the aftermath of occasions when it went wrong. Many, many more people manage to keep petrol at home without setting fire to themselves in their own kitchens. I've been storing it for the best part of the last decade since getting myself a petrol mower. I've never so much as singed an eyebrow with it.

The woman in this case has no doubt stood next to a sign reading PETROLEUM SPIRIT, HIGHLY INFLAMMABLE, NO SMOKING, SWITCH OFF ENGINE and other assorted warnings against naked flames and use of mobile phones, just about every week of her adult life while filling the tank of her own car. If she has somehow not absorbed the safety message over all that time then frankly there is nothing that Francis Maude could have said or done, or failed to say or do, that would have prevented her doing herself an injury, if not now then at some point in the future.

Some people simply do not have the sense they were born with and I don't see why I should be spoken to like an idiot on their account.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

don't worry your union negotiated pay rise will cover it

Well working for a small company, the boss would close it down before a union would be allowed.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

Utter rubbish,in the event of a strike it is totally justifiable and entirely sensible to carry a jerrycan of petrol

So what's maude supposed to do ?say something like "carry a spare can of petrol in the event of a strike ,but for all you thickos out there don't get too much and don't get it anywhere near a flame".

'Too much' is a bit vague though and what if someone confuses litres with gallons or a jerrycan with a milk bottle or jam jar? What about those who don't know what a naked flame or source of ignition is?? Perhaps we'd better make everything absolutely 'crystal clear' so everyone can understand....

This whole thing is quite bizarre but I dare say there are people out there who'd like us all to have to do a health & safety risk assessment and obtain certification every time we step out of the front door.....

Originally Posted by Chris

The woman is a complete idiot who reaped the entirely forseeable consequences of handling a highly flammable liquid next to a naked flame. Despite not qualifying for a Darwin I think she still deserves a dishonourable mention for plumbing such depths of stupidity.

I am absolutely sick and tired of the elf'n'safety set banging on about how we all need to be treated like children, or morons, or both. Official advice aimed at adults should be pitched at sensible adults who are in control of their faculties and who have a reasonably developed level of common sense.

Tim, I have no doubt you've seen some horrendous stuff when dealing with the consequences of flammable liquids not being kept properly, but the thing is, all you're seeing is the aftermath of occasions when it went wrong. Many, many more people manage to keep petrol at home without setting fire to themselves in their own kitchens. I've been storing it for the best part of the last decade since getting myself a petrol mower. I've never so much as singed an eyebrow with it.

The woman in this case has no doubt stood next to a sign reading PETROLEUM SPIRIT, HIGHLY INFLAMMABLE, NO SMOKING, SWITCH OFF ENGINE and other assorted warnings against naked flames and use of mobile phones, just about every week of her adult life while filling the tank of her own car. If she has somehow not absorbed the safety message over all that time then frankly there is nothing that Francis Maude could have said or done, or failed to say or do, that would have prevented her doing herself an injury, if not now then at some point in the future.

Some people simply do not have the sense they were born with and I don't see why I should be spoken to like an idiot on their account.

Well that was far too sensible a post Chris ,could we please have some baseless ranting next time

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

Utter rubbish,in the event of a strike it is totally justifiable and entirely sensible to carry a jerrycan of petrol



well my 2.5 litre tranny van can do 20-25 miles on one so yes it will do a lot of good



yes he did , “As and when it makes sense, a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can is a sensible precaution to take.�

note the word BIT meaning small amount and CAN singular to cans meaning 1 only ,of course if a person only has the intelligence of bean sprout then they wouldn't understand that .



No it probably wasn't ,unless she has a ride on lawn mower or some such tool or she has the inteligence of a bean sprout ,either way it's not the governments fault .Should probably mention i filled up 7 jerry cans of unleaded last week on the garage forcourt



So what's maude supposed to do ?say something like "carry a spare can of petrol in the event of a strike ,but for all you thickos out there don't get too much and don't get it anywhere near a flame".

The majority of people are adults and should be treated as such ,we don't need or want the government or the fire service holding our hands throughout life .Some people do though and maybe it would be better for the gene pool if they didn't breed

So now you are arguing with the experts are you?

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

So now you are arguing with the experts are you?

yep ,it would help if i knew what experts you are on about but yes i am