[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

Originally Posted by Gary L

It does. someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?

No, get out you racist! we don't want the BNP in here!
now where was I? oh yes, nice cup of tea Mr Singh?

All immigrants, including Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis etc, and those really helpful Poles who do such a good job nearly all of the time?

Gary, as usual, you have reduced a very complex subject to a simplistic rant - I suppose it works for you.

Very few people (imho) have a problem with people stating that they are unhappy with the level of immigration, it is how the argument is put forward (such as the BNP wanting to send back all non-pasty immigrants back (even the ones who are third generation British, so no where really to go back to), and people using spurious arguments that "indigenous" Britons are treated as second class citizens).

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

To be fair, he never said it had stopped, his point was exactly the same as the one you have just made.

To be fair, yes he did.

Originally Posted by Gary L

It has stopped. the other thing is something else.

Originally Posted by martyh

I know many BNP supporters (i hasten to add i am not a member)who do NOT go around "paki bashing"or spitting at muslims or any other type of racist behavior

There's no such thing as "paki bashing". It's called "assault", or "assault occassioning actual bodily harm", or maybe "GBH". Sometimes it's even "murder". I'd appreciate it if you didn't diminish such serious criminal offences with crude racist euphemisms.

And please don't offer up the fact that someone does not go around beating up their fellow man as a positive character trait as if they deserve some sort of medal. Not beating up other people is one of the basic obligations upon anybody who wishes to live in our society.

[Salu]

> Barak Obama and Gordon Brown are shown a time machine which can see 100
> Years into the future. They both decide to test it by asking a question
> each. Barak goes first
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>
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> "What will the USA be like in 100 years time?"
>
> The machine whirrs and beeps and goes into action and gives him a
> printout, he reads it out "The country is in good hands under the new
> president, crime is non-existant, there is no conflict, the economy is
> healthy. There are no worries"
>
> Gordon Brown thinks "Its not bad this time machine, I'll have a bit of
>
> that" so he asks "What will Britain be like in 100 years time?"
> The machine whirrs and beeps and goes into action, and he gets a
> printout. But he just stares at it.
>
> "Come on Gordon" says Barak, "Share what it says"
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> "I can't!.....



> .....its all in Urdu!"

I received this in my inbox today. I know it's on a slight tangent but is this a racist joke in bad taste, a joke not to be taken seriously, a concern of a white British citizen put humorously or a possibility etc etc?

Back to the subject I feel that any elected political party should be allowed on Question Time to express their views and should not be censored by the BBC. This is a free country and anyone should be allowed to express their views irrespective of whether you agree with them or not.

That email was probably first written by the sort of person who prefixes their observations on life with "I'm not racist, but ..."

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by punky

Ultimately it is publicity which will be the downfall of the BNP. Only when the BNP are free to speak fully will people (number 2 below) then listen and realise the BNP isn't the answer they seek.

I'm not too sure about that Punky, just look at the amount of bad publicity the main parties are continuously receiving about their bogus expense claims, and yet they still seem to be getting plenty of support.

[punky]

Anti-fascism protestors are making right muppets of themselves. Argh. I was really looking forward to tonight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321157.stm

Anti-fascist protesters have clashed with police outside BBC TV centre, ahead of BNP leader Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time.
About 30 protesters broke through a gate at the entrance but were stopped by police and escorted out.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Product 13

I'm not too sure about that Punky, just look at the amount of bad publicity the main parties are continuously receiving about their bogus expense claims, and yet they still seem to be getting plenty of support.

What do you expect people to do?

My MP has an excemplary record with benefits. Alot of other MPs do. I'm happy with the way Cameron has acted. I'm sure others do think so too.

Originally Posted by Chris

That email was probably first written by the sort of person who prefixes their observations on life with "I'm not racist, but ..."

and can't get Barack Obama's name correct.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by punky

What do you expect people to do?

Exactly, I suspect people will carry on supporting these hypocrites no matter what they do.

And I also think that some anti BNP protests will have the opposite effect and make some people actually want to vote for Mr Griffin.

[Taf]

Lab, Lib and Con all fear raising the subject of immigration controls that will work, many people want to hear our potential leaders raise the subject of immigration controls that will work... so if they hear some sensible ideas from the BNP we could see political life in the UK swinging away from those who think political power is their right.

Or he could make a complete ass of himself.

We'll see... I hope.

Unless the fascist anti-fascists manage to prevent it.

[Mr Angry]

Anything that gets Dammers on TV is a good thing!

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by Taf

Lab, Lib and Con all fear raising the subject of immigration controls that will work, many people want to hear our potential leaders raise the subject of immigration controls that will work... so if they hear some sensible ideas from the BNP we could see political life in the UK swinging away from those who think political power is their right.

Or he could make a complete ass of himself.

We'll see... I hope.

Unless the anti-fascists manage to prevent it.

Corrected.

What gets me is this, they are all going on about the freedom we have in this country, Labour and the Tories have done more to curb freedom than any fascist party can ever do. All your emails are read. All your surfing is monitored. You're on camera virtually everywhere you go. Free country, nonsense. Your personal details are sold to anyone who wants them. If this is a free country, why is it you are unable to join the police if you are/were a BNP member, but it's OK to be a Tory, Labour or even the shadiest sect ever, the Masons?

I get fed up hearing such bias on the news, constantly, calling them the vile BNP yet they got seats in the by-elections and have roughly 1million voters behind them. Are those people vile too, or have they just had enough of the way this country is going, example leisure centre and hospital signs being in Urdu and Arabic? Going to work, getting taxed to death and then seeing hundreds of darthvaders and goat hurders protesting in the streets about how hard done by they are, when they're living off benefits and contributing to nothing but a dangerous cult.

Most of the BNP manifesto is drivel, but if it makes the major parties sit up and take on what the voting public is attracted to then they'll have served their purpose.

The thing is every time the BNP get a platform on TV, (and I agree with some of their policies, but not most) all you get is idiots standing up shouting racists before a word is said....then the idiots stand up clapping the idiot who shouted racists.......On top of that, the BBC will undoubtedly have a load of skinheads in the audience that are probably nothing to do with the BNP......Griffin can't win either way imo...But I'd like to hear his views against the other parties.....

I'm going to vote for the BNP in Europe as I want us out of Europe totally.....<Mod Edit (Matt D): Removed> the EU.


<Mod Edit (Matt D): Can everybody please remember to mind their language. Maggy already warned about swearing last night>