smoking and the pub

Originally Posted by Clarie

Yeah, I do mean how easy I found it to give up. However the fact that people do give it up every day shows that it is entirely possible.

Indeed it is possible to give up. I have and have been stopped for nearly 2 years. But to say it was easy it was NOT. Do you not think that if it was easy everyone that wanted to stop would. Let me tell you now that you never stop giving up. I found it extremely hard and still do but i made the CHOICE to stop not because another ADULT said i should.

As for smoking in pubs. I think if food is not being served in that pub then it should be up to the owner if his or her pub is smoking or non smoking. We are adults and as such have a choice. Visit the smoking pub or don't visit the smoking pub. I don't see teams of white horse's dragging ADULTS in to pubs. If you don't want to go to a smoking pub THEN DONT. Don't go mouthing it off that its disgusting how you have to put up with smokers in a pub if you have the CHOICE to go in or not go in. I have the choice and i make sure i make the choice for me not for anyone else. When the time comes that we are forced in to pubs then i will withdraw my statement. I am a ADULT and i don't like other ADULTS telling me what i can and cannot do just because THEY think it should be there WAY

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Salu

Do you smoke in front of non-smokers or take care to only go into smoking areas?

The bar is a smoking area, with three extraction filters. There's a small smoking dining section at the back of the pub, and a lrage non smoking section adjacent to the bar. If I eat there, I always sit in non smoking.

My other half is an ex smoker, and he has no problem with me smoking next to him at the bar (or wherever I choose to smoke). Thankfully, he's not hypocrytical like some ex-smokers can be. I don't smoke indoors at home, as I don't like smoky rooms, and of course I don't smoke anywhere near the children.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Chris W

it always amazes me how ex smokers take a much more anti smoking stance than non-smokers...

I'm an ex smoker, & I have no problems with anyone smoking around/in front of me.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Neil

I'm an ex smoker, & I have no problems with anyone smoking around/in front of me.

That's because you're reasonable, and don't consider yourself above those that are weaker willed than you.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

You mean you found it easy to give up. Have a medal. That doesn't mean everyone does. And reading dome of your other post, you were barely more than a social smoker. I however have smoked 20 a day (possibly more on a particularly boozy night out), for the past 10 years and find the thought of giving up hard to deal with, let alone actually doing it.

Yes I do mean that I found it hard to give up, as I am sure my other post made clear:

Originally Posted by clarie

Yeah, I do mean how easy I found it to give up. However the fact that people do give it up every day shows that it is entirely possible.

Originally Posted by Bill C

Let me tell you now that you never stop giving up. I found it extremely hard and still do but i made the CHOICE to stop not because another ADULT said i should

I know that you never stop giving up. I think we need to be a little clear on the subjectivity of the word 'easy'. In my mind giving up is easy, because nothing else in your life is taken away than the cigarette itself, or the relief given to you by the cigarette. But that itself passes with time anyway.

Originally Posted by Bill C

Don't go mouthing it off that its disgusting how you have to put up with smokers in a pub if you have the CHOICE to go in or not go in.

I haven't said it is 'disgusting that I have to put up with smokers', more that smoking itself is disgusting, and that I don't want to put up with it.
As for smoking in pubs. I think if food is not being served in that pub then it should be up to the owner if his or her pub is smoking or non smoking. We are adults and as such have a choice. Visit the smoking pub or don't visit the smoking pub. I don't see teams of white horse's dragging ADULTS in to pubs.

Originally Posted by Bill C

If you don't want to go to a smoking pub THEN DONT. Don't go mouthing it off that its disgusting how you have to put up with smokers in a pub if you have the CHOICE to go in or not go in. I have the choice and i make sure i make the choice for me not for anyone else. When the time comes that we are forced in to pubs then i will withdraw my statement. I am a ADULT and i don't like other ADULTS telling me what i can and cannot do just because THEY think it should be there WAY

Adults, choice, no need to highlight these words. In my opinion, there is nothing nannying about stopping smokers from smoking in public places. It's not the same as saying now come on smokers, hand me your cigarettes, cos we have decided you are not to smoke them any more. Just smoke them in your own space.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Thankfully, he's not hypocrytical like some ex-smokers can be.

I don't think it's hypocritical to realise the error of your ways and to express that your former type of behaviour is wrong. Were I still a smoker, and say, smoked in front of some people but not others, or smoked in pubs but not nightclubs, and criticised those that did then yes, I would be hypocritical.

[Kliro]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Indeed it is possible to give up. I have and have been stopped for nearly 2 years. But to say it was easy it was NOT. Do you not think that if it was easy everyone that wanted to stop would. Let me tell you now that you never stop giving up. I found it extremely hard and still do but i made the CHOICE to stop not because another ADULT said i should.

As for smoking in pubs. I think if food is not being served in that pub then it should be up to the owner if his or her pub is smoking or non smoking. We are adults and as such have a choice. Visit the smoking pub or don't visit the smoking pub. I don't see teams of white horse's dragging ADULTS in to pubs. If you don't want to go to a smoking pub THEN DONT. Don't go mouthing it off that its disgusting how you have to put up with smokers in a pub if you have the CHOICE to go in or not go in. I have the choice and i make sure i make the choice for me not for anyone else. When the time comes that we are forced in to pubs then i will withdraw my statement. I am a ADULT and i don't like other ADULTS telling me what i can and cannot do just because THEY think it should be there WAY

You know there is such a thing as a person who enjoys going to a pub but doesnt enjoy smoke?

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Kliro

You know there is such a thing as a person who enjoys going to a pub but doesnt enjoy smoke?

Yeah, but they're just weird

Originally Posted by Nugget

Yeah, but they're just weird

QED.

[printerman]

Smokers....it kills you and it kills me. I don't smoke so you shouldn't be able to do it near me. Full stop.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by printerman

Smokers....it kills you and it kills me. I don't smoke so you shouldn't be able to do it near me. Full stop.

Hear hear. Sorry but all of this speak of the nanny state, and choices etc doesn't do it for me and sounds like a thinly veiled excuse for continuing to smoke when and where you like. No one is trying to nanny you, it's simply a case of trying to protect those who choose not to smoke from the harmful effects produced by those who do.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by clarie

Hear hear. Sorry but all of this speak of the nanny state, and choices etc doesn't do it for me and sounds like a thinly veiled excuse for continuing to smoke when and where you like. No one is trying to nanny you, it's simply a case of trying to protect those who choose not to smoke from the harmful effects produced by those who do.

BUt why can there not be a choice of smoking or non smoking pubs?

[clarie]

Because then the choice of where we all go depends on whether the pub is smoking or non-smoking.


Why can't there be sealed rooms for smokers?

[Kliro]

Originally Posted by orangebird

BUt why can there not be a choice of smoking or non smoking pubs?

Because I dont want to have to pick and choose where I can go to the pub, just because you want to light up. You made the decision to smoke, so you should have to deal with the consequences, as you said, your an adult.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by clarie

Why can't there be sealed rooms for smokers?

There are, they're called pubs

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by clarie

Because then the choice of where we all go depends on whether the pub is smoking or non-smoking.

No **** sherlock!

Why can't there be sealed rooms for smokers?

No idea. Why can't those who own their own business choose what they have happen on their own premises?