12-06-2012, 11:28
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Re: BBC Red Button
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I'm not arguing against that - but end of the day, what content is available is the BBC's choice, not Virgin's
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Sorry Ben ,
Virgin is the supplier & therefore should have "created" a work around. It seems that "buck & pass" sum up the managements business plan ( if in fact one exists)
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12-06-2012, 11:29
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Re: BBC Red Button
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I'm not arguing against that - but end of the day, what content is available is the BBC's choice, not Virgin's
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Yes l understand that but l can't help feeling because of the considerable cuts the BBC are making there is a suspicion that corners are being cut in all departments including sport and that all we will get is a much watered down version then what we had before even though we get plenty of video clips and not much else presently.
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12-06-2012, 11:36
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Re: BBC Red Button
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Yes l understand that but l can't help feeling because of the considerable cuts the BBC are making there is a suspicion that corners are being cut in all departments including sport and that all we will get is a much watered down version then what we had before even though we get plenty of video clips and not much else presently.
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If its sports you're after just use the Skysports redbutton, its much more feature rich and informative than the BBC's is these days.
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12-06-2012, 11:52
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Re: BBC Red Button
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If its sports you're after just use the Skysports redbutton, its much more feature rich and informative than the BBC's is these days.
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If you have it
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12-06-2012, 12:19
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Re: BBC Red Button
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Sorry Ben ,
Virgin is the supplier & therefore should have "created" a work around. It seems that "buck & pass" sum up the managements business plan ( if in fact one exists)
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Virgin are the platform, the BBC is the supplier of the content.
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12-06-2012, 13:50
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Re: BBC Red Button
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For TiVo, it's a complete break from the existing platform so the BBC have had to start from scratch - but as it's got a net connection have decided to base it on their 'Connected TV' version
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But the BBC has enabled fairly comprhensive text articals on the news Red Button channel so why not carry over to the sports output
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12-06-2012, 13:54
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Re: BBC Red Button
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Virgin are the platform, the BBC is the supplier of the content.
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Virgin are the supplier of the services.Something that for the most part they are failing to do. Free view offer more than Virgin in the basic`s department.
Hang on ( if you pardon the pun) Virgin have apps with Hang man. That really makes up for the failures in other services,does it not .
Horse before cart perhaps!
If I did not have Virgin I would not take it today. Fed up with them playing "catch up" on basics.
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12-06-2012, 14:03
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Re: BBC Red Button
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Virgin are the supplier of the services.
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And the TV services which Virgin provide is TiVo, not the BBC apps on TiVo.
What is provided on Freeview, Sky and both Virgin platforms is the BBC's choice - as can be seen from the fact that post Olympics the BBC are reducing the scope of the Red Button services on the older platforms.
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12-06-2012, 15:04
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Re: BBC Red Button
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And the TV services which Virgin provide is TiVo, not the BBC apps on TiVo.
What is provided on Freeview, Sky and both Virgin platforms is the BBC's choice - as can be seen from the fact that post Olympics the BBC are reducing the scope of the Red Button services on the older platforms.
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So the TiVo red button is the same as the service I have on my connected TV?
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12-06-2012, 15:11
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Re: BBC Red Button
Probably, and that's by the BBC's design - they want their services to be consistent across as many devices as possible
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12-06-2012, 15:14
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Re: BBC Red Button
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And the TV services which Virgin provide is TiVo, not the BBC apps on TiVo.
What is provided on Freeview, Sky and both Virgin platforms is the BBC's choice - as can be seen from the fact that post Olympics the BBC are reducing the scope of the Red Button services on the older platforms.
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That does not negate the failure of Virgin to supply via TiVo the basic services that ( Wait for Carl to play semantics) everyone/someone/the bloke next door, & I.Have been using & expect to get. If and when the BBC change all services on Free view & the like.Then you would have a case,as it is TiVo/Virgin are not providing the services offered free to air. therefore playing at catch up. Sorry blaming everyone else really is not good enough.
I have noted that more & more I can find the programmes I like on Freeview channels Ok later but still. Virgin TiVo as a TV platform ( not a Google site / Games m/c) is to me looking weaker by the month. IT could be so much better
Pity they could have not upgraded the V+. Still its to late to worry about that any more.
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So the TiVo red button is the same as the service I have on my connected TV?
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since when ?
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12-06-2012, 15:17
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Re: BBC Red Button
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since when ?
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Since always. The BBC News App that launched on TiVo is the same as in on Connected TVs and the Sports app will also be the same across multiple devices http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4566...droid-hands-on
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12-06-2012, 15:22
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Re: BBC Red Button
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Probably, and that's by the BBC's design - they want their services to be consistent across as many devices as possible
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But the caveat in that is its probably being done to cut costs and the upshot is at the end of it all we will probably get a watered down red button version then we had before although we will get a lots of video clips judging by early experiences so far.
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12-06-2012, 15:24
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Re: BBC Red Button
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But the caveat in that is its probably being done to cut costs and the upshot is at the end of it all we will probably get a watered down red button version then we had before although we will get a lots of video clips judging by early experiences so far.
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In the short term, it's possible that it will rely more on clips than the existing service does.
Long term though, I see no reason why it couldn't have more live streams - any existing streams the BBC run are feasable - for instance all the studio cams for the Radio channels etc and can be added to the apps much more easily and cheaply than they ever could using the broadcast streams.
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12-06-2012, 15:39
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Re: BBC Red Button
When I upgraded to TiVo I did so in the full knowledge that at the time it didn't have red button. If I'd been bothered I wouldn't have upgraded, what we have now is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. The BBC are really only currently bringing us f1 and euro 2012 as far as sport is concerned, and the red button as it stands is a really good companion app for both of those sports. Yes, Den, there's a lot of video clips, but there are also some really good features which accompany live broadcasts.
I first remember multiple live streams appearing on the BBC red button a few years ago with their Wimbledon coverage-only a week to wait-who's to say we won't have a nice little surprise waiting?
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