[Merged] Football talk

[iadom]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Just think what Spurs fans must be feeling like, they must feel like they were mugged last nite.

Even Jol said he was happy with a draw in the Sky interview at the end of the match. Spurs made very little attempt to actually win the match, 8/9 man defence, offside trap. Robinson and King played very well. Just think, if video evidence had been in use last year then Jose may not have become the Chelsea manager as Porto would have been out of Europe in the quarter finals.
Even so I could not believe what I was watching, Caroll didn't even manage a knock on, the dozy plonker.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by iadom

Even Jol said he was happy with a draw in the Sky interview at the end of the match. Spurs made very little attempt to actually win the match, 8/9 man defence, offside trap. Robinson and King played very well. Just think, if video evidence had been in use last year then Jose may not have become the Chelsea manager as Porto would have been out of Europe in the quarter finals.
Even so I could not believe what I was watching, Caroll didn't even manage a knock on, the dozy plonker.

people forget that Man U have had decisions go against them in the past..

also Arsenal would have lost to Pompey as the Pires dive for the pen wouldn't have been given

Hope you like them

At work today, i has to skim read the xmas edition of the BMJ and my eye was drawn to this article

Can the human eye detect an offside position during a football match?

The xmas issue is renowned for it's frivolous items based on real scientific research/evidence....... and i thought it might help you guys in your arguments when you screech........ THAT WAS NEVER OFF SIDE!! at the tv/ref

Some people just have nothing better to do....... and i'll leave it up to you to decide who i'm referring to

[iadom]

FA release statement


An FA spokesman after the game absolved the linesman of any
responsibility
for the apparently mistaken decision not to award a goal to Spurs after
a
shot from the halfway line crossed the goal line by at least a metre.


"The shot came in from an unusual distance and as such caught the
linesman
out of position forcing him to race back towards the goal as the play
developed", explained the spokesman, "As he ran, the United scarf he was
wearing under his shirt came loose and fluttered up into his face
obscuring
his view and preventing him from making the call. It was just one of
those
things."


In response to further questions from the Press the spokesman explained
"If
they don't already have a United tattoo most officials on game day try
to
wear a scarf or a replica shirt under their regulation kit to show their
support for the worlds greatest club. The linesman in this case had
chosen
to wear a United scarf, a common choice that is in keeping with FA
guidelines. The root cause of the problem lies not with the linesman but
with the players and management of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club who
broke one the most important unwritten rules of the English FA: They
placed
a shot on target at Old Trafford. Martin Jol is new to this country and
perhaps he s not yet familiar with some of our finer traditions.
Fortunately if he doesn't yet understand that for the greater good of
the
game visiting teams, by tradition, are not expected to try to score at
Old
Trafford then our officials are in a position to help Mr Jol make that
cultural adjustment."


Chuckling to himself the FA spokesman added "The goal had to be
disallowed
to avoid us descending down a slippery slope that would be bad for the
national game. It's a fine line the officials have to walk. If they
award a
goal this week, next week someone might expect a penalty or ask that Van
Nistleroy be booked for diving. Can you imagine? That would just never
do.
No no no. Shocking, just the thought of it."

[sherer]

i can't believe some of the comments over this "goal". It's thw worst referring decision of all time apparently. Not fogetting the Hurst goal that took a world cup final to extra time. The missed goal from Chesterfield v Boro for a place in a FA Cup final. The Maradona goal that cost England a place in a world cup final. The dodgy decisions that went for South Korea in the last world cup.

Come on this has happened before and will happen again.

Just because it is Man U everyone is saying Carroll should be banned and the result overturned. I think if this happened in a Luton Town match i don't think the reactions would be the same

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by sherer

i can't believe some of the comments over this "goal". It's thw worst referring decision of all time apparently. Not fogetting the Hurst goal that took a world cup final to extra time. The missed goal from Chesterfield v Boro for a place in a FA Cup final. The Maradona goal that cost England a place in a world cup final. The dodgy decisions that went for South Korea in the last world cup.

Come on this has happened before and will happen again.

Just because it is Man U everyone is saying Carroll should be banned and the result overturned. I think if this happened in a Luton Town match i don't think the reactions would be the same

Depends on whether you support Luton Town or not

[sherer]

you know what i mean though just cos it's man u everyone is going overboard and i don't think this is the worst decision of all time by a ref

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by sherer

The dodgy decisions that went for South Korea in the last world cup.

Thats to be expected. Of all the international competitions I can remember the host nation has always got the benefit of the doubt in decisions.

It was a pretty bad decision, maybe not the worst, but up there.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by sherer

you know what i mean though just cos it's man u everyone is going overboard and i don't think this is the worst decision of all time by a ref

Actually, you're right - I don't think that this is the worst decision by a ref. At the end of the day, the linesmen are there to help the ref is unsighted, out of position etc. What I think this is is the highest profile one for a while and, it must be said, an absolute howler of a mistake, when the ball was a good yard over the line.

One of the issues in my mind is what's the point of the fourth official? I know he's there in case the ref gets injured, but why can't he advise the ref in cases like this - all in all, it's a good case for some form of technological back up.

[ian@huth]

I've said it before and still think that with the Premiership having all matches on TV that a fifth official should monitor the TV control room screens and advise the ref via radio of any incidents that he thinks the ref has missed or if the ref asks his opinion. Could be very useful in yellow and red card incidents.

[gazzae]

What about two extra lines men? Four lines men in total two in each half. One whos job is to watch solely for offsides, the other who watches for off the ball incidents or anything the ref misses.

We could also take an idea from the NHL where because the game is so fast they have a ref in each half which makes them closer to the play. The problem is if the ref is on the edge of the d and then henry makes a break up the field the middle-aged ref has to sprint up the field trying to keep up with the young super-fit player and if there is an incident make a decision while sprinting. If you had two refs then they should be in a better position.

Also remember video refs aren't infallible, there was a big incident in the NFL a few years ago when, ever after consulting replays, the refs made the wrong decision resulting in the team losing the game and missing out on the playoffs

[sherer]

another case of consistency from the Fa.. Rooney taps someone and gets a three game ban..

Morrison of Birmingham does a similar thing and is likely to get away with a warning

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by sherer

another case of consistency from the Fa.. Rooney taps someone and gets a three game ban..

Morrison of Birmingham does a similar thing and is likely to get away with a warning

Rooney's was hands to the face so he got charged with violent conduct. Morrison's was a shove so he's charged with improper conduct.

Both seem violent to me, but thats the distinction the FA makes.

[Russ]

I'd agree with gaz, striking the face gives the incident a different perspective. We can't complain about Rooney's treatment - he's had what he deserves.