Government & Post Election Discussion
02-08-2019, 18:01
|
#2161
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,457
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Maybe so, but the EU vote was spectacularly dreadful for both main parties. The indications are that the Conservatives are making up lost ground now with their new leader, and a landslide vote for Brexit at the next election is now unlikely, so their vote will not be so badly split.
Labour, however, is in great trouble, with the prospect of many of their members deserting them for the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives.
They may have wanted that vote of no confidence before, but now they must surely be reconsidering.
|
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.
What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.
__________________
Unifi Express + BT Whole Home WiFi | VM 1Gbps
|
|
|
02-08-2019, 19:41
|
#2162
|
Rise above the players
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now, ITVX, Amazon, Netflix, Lionsgate+, Apple+, Disney+, Paramount +,
Posts: 14,618
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.
What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.
|
Maybe so, but if they ignore the reality of their position, they will be annihilated.
Suits me. I would have thought you'd be devastated!
|
|
|
02-08-2019, 20:03
|
#2163
|
Sulking in the Corner
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: 1 Gbps; Hub 4 MM; ASUS RT-AX88U; Ultimate VOLT. BT Infinity2; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 11,955
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
The raison d'etre of the official opposition is to govern so it would be perverse in the extreme not to make the attempt if such an opportunity exists.
What is interesting if any Labour MP's vote with the Tories in such a no confidence motion. If they did, in order to get a No Deal Brexit per their personal wishes, they should be expelled and deselected immediately.
|
Er, what of the Tories who have voted against the Referendum instructions according to their personal wishes? or are you being hypocritical?
__________________
Seph.
My advice is at your risk.
|
|
|
02-08-2019, 21:45
|
#2164
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,457
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Er, what of the Tories who have voted against the Referendum instructions according to their personal wishes? or are you being hypocritical?
|
You deliberately miss my point. A member of a Political Party has a duty to ensure his party can gain, or at best, influence the ability to govern. If he/she actively attempts to block this aim then they will have betrayed their party and colleagues.
To vote against a bill whilst in Government is different. If an Government MP believes that a motion compromises the national interest then they are entitled to vote along these lines. The national interest supersedes party interests ..
---------- Post added at 21:45 ---------- Previous post was at 21:43 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Maybe so, but if they ignore the reality of their position, they will be annihilated.
Suits me. I would have thought you'd be devastated!
|
Why devastated? I do not support Labour. Yes, people are able to not support Labour and Tory at the same time. It is allowed you know ..
__________________
Unifi Express + BT Whole Home WiFi | VM 1Gbps
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 20:36
|
#2165
|
Still alive and fighting
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,375
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Former Conservative MP Sam Gyimah joins Lib Dems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49703214
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 20:43
|
#2166
|
vox populi vox dei
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the last resort
Services: every thing
Posts: 13,739
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone
|
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 20:49
|
#2167
|
Still alive and fighting
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,375
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter
|
He is very much a centrist politician and he obviously believes the Conservatives have lurched too far to the right thus he has decided to go to another party who he finds far more appealing then the Conservatives.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 22:32
|
#2168
|
Woke and proud !
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 9,214
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf
I don't get how you go from conservative to iliberal undemocrat ,unless you just want the wage and the politics don't matter
|
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 22:51
|
#2169
|
vox populi vox dei
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the last resort
Services: every thing
Posts: 13,739
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
|
Didn't anyone tell you we are living longer, personally i'm doing it to spite the younger generations,i haven't finnished killing the planet and the EU yet,any hoo my suppertime steak is ready
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
|
|
|
14-09-2019, 23:08
|
#2170
|
Oh When The Saints!!
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kernow
Posts: 3,929
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
|
<removed>
__________________
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph.
Last edited by Paul; 14-09-2019 at 23:58.
Reason: Dont, just dont.
|
|
|
15-09-2019, 08:46
|
#2171
|
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,277
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
The Sunday Times (and the Mail) is reporting that Dominic Cummings told Tory special advisors that if the Government loses in court they'll just prologue Parliament again.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...40164081868800
And this seems to be flaw in the Benn act that might have been spotted; https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15...-the-benn-act/
Essentially Boris Johnson can get Parliament to pass the Withdrawal Agreement before immediately prologue again preventing the further legalisation required to avoid no deal.
|
|
|
15-09-2019, 09:40
|
#2172
|
Woke and proud !
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 9,214
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
|
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....
And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?
|
|
|
15-09-2019, 10:00
|
#2173
|
vox populi vox dei
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the last resort
Services: every thing
Posts: 13,739
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....
And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?
|
He's just a political strategist hired by the government ,why are remainers so terrified of him
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
|
|
|
15-09-2019, 11:30
|
#2174
|
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,251
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf
He's just a political strategist hired by the government ,why are remainers so terrified of him
|
Point missed completely...
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
|
|
|
15-09-2019, 13:04
|
#2175
|
Rise above the players
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now, ITVX, Amazon, Netflix, Lionsgate+, Apple+, Disney+, Paramount +,
Posts: 14,618
|
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The poorer the Labour Party performs, the stronger it appears is Momentum's grip on it.
|
Yes, I agree, and their voters will desert them in droves. Which party will benefit most? Well, the Brexit Party and Liberal Democrats should do well out of it, and the Conservatives, under Boris Johnson, may be (to the surprise of some), the choice of many.
If Boris does well in getting an EU deal, or alternatively in getting us out without a deal, a grateful electorate will reward him, and the Brexit Party will be doomed.
---------- Post added at 13:00 ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone
He is very much a centrist politician and he obviously believes the Conservatives have lurched too far to the right thus he has decided to go to another party who he finds far more appealing then the Conservatives.
|
Wanting a 'no deal' Brexit is not simply a right wing aspiration as you imply. A lot of Labour voters want this as well.
---------- Post added at 13:01 ---------- Previous post was at 13:00 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Umm, they withdrew the whip and made him not welcome..... The Tories left him, not the other way round. Moderate voices are not welcome any longer in the narrow right wing oap white male clique that the Tories have become. Its a dying voter base, literally.
|
Are Brexit supporting Labour voters in Labour strongholds part of a right wing clique, then?
---------- Post added at 13:04 ---------- Previous post was at 13:01 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Why not just abolish parliament altogether, have a dictatorship?? His first go at silencing them may yet be ruled illegal. Grasping at straws methinks....
And who elected this Cummings bloke anyway?
|
It won't be 'proved illegal' as you put it. Ever heard of the Bill of Rights?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...david-starkey/
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:55.
|