The gender ideology thread

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

So a trans man has to use the female toilets and a trans woman has to use the male toilets.
<SNIP>

... or whichever way round Richard meant.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

We might also ask ourselves how we survived the 1980s, which had more than its fair share of androgeny, cross dressing and New Romantics, all using the correctly sexed pub toilets. And somehow there was no genocide of Culture Club fans.
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I was once introduced by my one my friends “This is Pierre*, the last of the New Romantics”

*except my real name.

And, just two weeks ago I visited a fantastic shop in Berwick-on-Tweed that had a brilliant vintage vinyl collection, and found a double LP. “Spandau Ballet - the 12” Mixes”. Result.

Wait .... you're name isn't Pierre

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

As I keep saying, the risks are asymmetric. A man in a woman’s toilet poses a risk to the women. A woman in a man’s toilet is at risk from men.

Either way, it is an assertion of trans ideology that they have no choice but to role-play as the opposite sex, and it is an assertion that ought to be challenged, because as far as I can see, if a man slaps on lipstick and a dress and then complains he would be vulnerable in a men’s toilet, he has made himself vulnerable and he ought to be asking himself, in the first instance, what he could be doing to mitigate that. Beyond that, we ought to be challenging the men in the men’s toilet to see if they really do have such a narrow and fragile conception of masculinity that they can’t cope with unconventional forms of dress. And we also need to make very clear that whosever problem this is, it is not the women, who want to have only women in their single-sex women’s private space. A great big chunk of the trans rights movement is just men’s rights in lipstick, trying to make women give way to them. It is misogyny on stilts and it has to stop.

We might also ask ourselves how we survived the 1980s, which had more than its fair share of androgeny, cross dressing and New Romantics, all using the correctly sexed pub toilets. And somehow there was no genocide of Culture Club fans.

Trans dogma needs challenged. We need to stop assuming the bleating about genocide and lives at risk is true and start demanding receipts.

Social media is going wild over this. There's suggestions that trans people could/should use the disabled toilet, disabled people complaining that there is usually only one & they will have to wait (especially relevant where a disability/illness gives rise to extra toileting needs, especially at short notice), some venues are saying that they will ignore the law and a few saying that they will designate one or both toilets as gender neutral. Also, there are claims that the Government will amend the law to negate this ruling.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Social media is going wild over this. There's suggestions that trans people could/should use the disabled toilet, disabled people complaining that there is usually only one & they will have to wait (especially relevant where a disability/illness gives rise to extra toileting needs, especially at short notice), some venues are saying that they will ignore the law and a few saying that they will designate one or both toilets as gender neutral. Also, there are claims that the Government will amend the law to negate this ruling.

... a vote loser for sure.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wait .... you're name isn't Pierre

I can't believe people do that

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Social media is going wild over this. There's suggestions that trans people could/should use the disabled toilet, disabled people complaining that there is usually only one & they will have to wait (especially relevant where a disability/illness gives rise to extra toileting needs, especially at short notice), some venues are saying that they will ignore the law and a few saying that they will designate one or both toilets as gender neutral. Also, there are claims that the Government will amend the law to negate this ruling.

You are KKKaroline Leavitt, and I claim my £10…

Seriously, though, Richard, you could get a job writing articles for the Telegraph/Mail/Sun, as you have just spouted sourceless fear-mongering, caveated by "suggestions", "some venues are saying", "a few saying", and last, but not least, "there are claims"…

Let’s put your writing style to the test - "There’s suggestions that Richard is making stuff up, and some forums are saying that they will ban Richard, and a few saying that he deliberately tries to scaremonger. Also, there are claims that Richard, is in fact, the offspring of Vladimir Putin and Princess Anne.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You are KKKaroline Leavitt, and I claim my £10…

Seriously, though, Richard, you could get a job writing articles for the Telegraph/Mail/Sun, as you have just spouted sourceless fear-mongering, caveated by "suggestions", "some venues are saying", "a few saying", and last, but not least, "there are claims"…

Let’s put your writing style to the test - "There’s suggestions that Richard is making stuff up, and some forums are saying that they will ban Richard, and a few saying that he deliberately tries to scaremonger. Also, there are claims that Richard, is in fact, the offspring of Vladimir Putin and Princess Anne.

I've seen most of this on Facebook if you want to have a look.

Ah yes, Fakebook, a really reliable source of informed opinions.

[nomadking]

Plenty of examples for the public sector for the conversion to gender-neutral toilets. Council offices, hospitals, Universities, and schools.
Link

Government confirms measures to reverse the rise of gender-neutral toilets as part of wider efforts to protect single sex spaces.

Don't know whether it made it into actual current regulations.

Can you provide a link/quote for the "plenty examples for the public sector for the conversion to gender-neutral toilets", please?

I read through the links, and couldn’t find any - all I could find was this comment

https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ultation-paper

This followed concerns that increasing numbers of publicly accessible toilets were being converted into ‘gender neutral’ facilities, causing problems for women and older people in particular.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can you provide a link/quote for the "plenty examples for the public sector for the conversion to gender-neutral toilets", please?

I read through the links, and couldn’t find any - all I could find was this comment

https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ultation-paper

Doubt there's a single definitive list, but I did do a search.
The "reverse the rise of" is a bit of a clue.
Link

17 individual gender neutral toilet cubicles have been created, replacing 8 existing female toilets, 5 existing male urinals and 5 existing male toilets.

From 3 years ago

NHS hospitals have spent more than £800,000 on gender-neutral toilets in the past four years, MailOnline can reveal.

Link

8.We asked the Department about the scale of the conversion of single sex publicly accessible toilets into gender neutral facilities which this instrument seeks to address. DLUHC replied:
“Government does not hold data on the number of publicly accessible toilets which have been converted to gender neutral toilets. However, these changes have been widely reported in the media.”

It's now law.

Regulation 2(4) inserts a new Part T into Schedule 1 (requirements) to the Building Regulations 2010 to require male and female single-sex toilets in buildings other than dwellings.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I've seen most of this on Facebook if you want to have a look.

Please, feel free to guide us to these posts on Facebook. Links will work, I'm sure.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Doubt there's a single definitive list, but I did do a search.
The "reverse the rise of" is a bit of a clue.
Link
From 3 years ago
Link
It's now law.

Strange - previously you stated

Plenty of examples for the public sector for the conversion to gender-neutral toilets. Council offices, hospitals, Universities, and schools.

Anything more than one is a rise, and the old shibboleth of "widely reported in social media"...

And if you read that article, a lot of them were just changing signs on single-user units, at a cost of very little...

Something something something zeal of the convert … except there’s no zeal on show here, just bowing to the inevitable. The law is now crystal clear and Starmer has no choice but to respect it, no matter how hard he might want to obfuscate to keep his Loony Left happy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldey0z00ro

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer does not believe transgender women are women, his official spokesman has said.
It comes after the UK Supreme Court ruled last week that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.
In March 2022, when he was leader of the opposition, Sir Keir told the Times, that "a woman is a female adult, and in addition to that transwomen are women, and that is not just my view - that is actually the law".

Interesting that just 3 years ago this highly qualified barrister was completely misunderstanding the law - as the Supreme Court has now ruled, a so-called ‘transwoman’ is not, and never has been, a woman in law.

Men who claim they are women, and women who claim they are men, are under certain circumstances allowed to apply for a certificate, and thereafter the State will treat them as if they are the opposite sex, under certain appropriate circumstances. That is all it is, and all it ever was.