Uk Riots and Protests (2024)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The real real world, too much for you?

Let's face it mate, you're continuing a make a bit of a prat of yourself. Trying to have the last word isn't improving things...

[jfman]

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1820793598951973027

Just ordinary mainstream politicians discussing migration on ordinary mainstream media. Farage didn't make this the view of ordinary people up and down the country. They did.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1820793598951973027

Just ordinary mainstream politicians discussing migration on ordinary mainstream media. Farage didn't make this the view of ordinary people up and down the country. They did.

What is your point exactly??

Attacking mosques and hotels and destroying people's businesses and family is OK because we spend money on immigrants?

A lot of deflection and whataboutery. Oh look over there

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Let's face it mate, you're continuing a make a bit of a prat of yourself. Trying to have the last word isn't improving things...

Dear Lord, the devil himself will skate to work before I take any moralising from your good self.

Thats enough from you.
I'm tired of you drivel, trolling, and attacking other members.
We havent used Time-Outs for over a year, but you're heading that way, again.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What is your point exactly??

Attacking mosques and hotels and destroying people's businesses and family is OK because we spend money on immigrants?

A lot of deflection and whataboutery. Oh look over there

No, I think it’s completely reprehensible behaviour.

However I think blaming Farage, Tommy Robinson, Musk or “social media” - who all undoubtedly have some role - ignores that mainstream politicians have been using the exact same tropes. Broadcast into our living rooms by the BBC, ITV, Sky and printed in mainstream newspapers. For at least one decade and probably two.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

No, I think it’s completely reprehensible behaviour.

However I think blaming Farage, Tommy Robinson, Musk or “social media” - who all undoubtedly have some role - ignores that mainstream politicians have been using the exact same tropes. Broadcast into our living rooms by the BBC, ITV, Sky and printed in mainstream newspapers. For at least one decade and probably two.

Just what would it take to make you happy from a political perspective that can be realistically achieved ? You weren’t happy with the tories and now you’re not happy with Labour

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Just what would it take to make you happy from a political perspective that can be realistically achieved ? You weren’t happy with the tories and now you’re not happy with Labour

I'm unsure this is the thread but equally unsure people should hold their longer term political ideology within the parameters of what can be realistically achieved between general elections. We saw the lowest turnout since the extension of the franchise over a hundred years ago with 40% of the electorate staying home partially for the same reason politics has devolved into a chattering class spectator sport.

Can you honestly hand on heart watch that video linked above and say you are happy with Labour politicians blowing the same anti-migrant dog whistles as the Tories, Farage, etc. because some polling and some focus groups told them it would improve their chances of winning? Was selling out a price worth paying so someone you liked a bit more with a different colour tie said the same things?

Britain has many problems and if the people that caused them can't admit their role too then it'll never be solved or addressed. We will only be waiting for the next set of riots. It could be five, ten, fifteen years. Who knows. But it's out there and everyone has to ask whether they want to keep adding more fuel to the fire.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

I'm unsure this is the thread but equally unsure people should hold their longer term political ideology within the parameters of what can be realistically achieved between general elections. We saw the lowest turnout since the extension of the franchise over a hundred years ago with 40% of the electorate staying home partially for the same reason politics has devolved into a chattering class spectator sport.

Can you honestly hand on heart watch that video linked above and say you are happy with Labour politicians blowing the same anti-migrant dog whistles as the Tories, Farage, etc. because some polling and some focus groups told them it would improve their chances of winning? Was selling out a price worth paying so someone you liked a bit more with a different colour tie said the same things?

Britain has many problems and if the people that caused them can't admit their role too then it'll never be solved or addressed. We will only be waiting for the next set of riots. It could be five, ten, fifteen years. Who knows. But it's out there and everyone has to ask whether they want to keep adding more fuel to the fire.

Can you actually answer the question posed ?

[papa smurf]

The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Can you actually answer the question posed ?

No, because it was so broad as to be off topic.

If Labour, and the Conservatives, think migration brings economic value to the UK (from their actions, I suspect it does) then they should stand up at election time and say that rather than dog whistle and brush it under the carpet for 5 years.

They should accept and be honest that however many million a day they are spending on asylum hotels is a price they believe is worth paying to not improve the quality and quantity of social housing or alternative accommodation while the UK fulfils it’s duties under international law and various human rights law. Rather than go on telly and wax lyrical about the loose change per day this is of total government expenditure.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore

If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

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Originally Posted by jfman

They should accept and be honest that however many million a day they are spending on asylum hotels is a price they believe is worth paying to not improve the quality and quantity of social housing or alternative accommodation while the UK fulfils it’s duties under international law and various human rights law. Rather than go on telly and wax lyrical about the loose change per day this is of total government expenditure.

The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

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The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

but will these people be safe from those who don't want them in the country,shuffling them around won't work in my humble oppinion.
fortunatly i live in a place that doesent have migrant centers so there would be little point in rioting here.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore

In Cleethorpes, really? That's my holiday cancelled then...

The right to peaceful protest should always be there. But there's a word in that many are missing. Plus they aren't protesting, just want a bit of a fight for social media excitement, or as a cover for crime/ big themselves up to mates.

What do you want the Govt to do? A curfew? If they banned gathering doubtless they're be complaints about freedom or 'the nanny state'. Thanks to 14 years of declininng public services., there arent that many to protect the streets. Going to take more than a few weeks to put that right.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

I agree on the hotels point but again that was 100% a political choice by the previous government to not fund the Home Office to speed up applications. Almost as if they wanted to design a powderkeg to support their “stop the boats” narrative.

You can’t erode the functions of the state under the guise of austerity, point at immigrants, blame them and act totally surprised when people listen.